Why not NYC rapid transit… sorry

Many, many times I've been asked this question. Tell you the truth, my heart is in the south, I just have an affinity for the 'L, and dis-like the politics here in Memphis so much that I see Chicago as a second best. Probably end up there one day. In short answer, no. The reason being my lack of knowledge about the NYC system, as well as the lack of information. It takes and UNBELIEABLE amount of information to create a route to any degree of realism. The Chicago 'L' doesn't even take the cake, except the track, and associated structures. All the buildings I use a closest match scenario with default objects and Enocell's building pack. To even get it as realistic as I have I've taken many trips to Chicago, over 1,000 pictures, and refer constantly to aerial photos, Chicago-L.org, and other websites. At one point I was even arrested while taking pictures of Roosevelt Interlocking to model it.Therefore, unless someone would like to finance a several day trip to New York City to take many many photos of the line/lines I'm going to model, and have plent of first hand experience.... Truthfully, I don't know how I'd do it.However, if anyone wanted to use the Chicago Elevated track sections, they are available in CYKWORKS TRACK PACK 1, and anyone is welcome to use them.-Chris

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Chicago RULES, New York is a wormy apple!Hee-hee, that'll get interborough after me now.Seriously, from what I've seen of the New York EL the track structure is very similar, form follows function and those iron girders were state of the art technology in the late 1800s. The major difference is the subway, Chicago did mostly digging, New York used the trench and cover method, so the CTA subways are mostly tubes, NYC is mostly square sides and roofs.I don't know which system is more extensive, but I suspect NYC has more rapid transit routes and miles of track, if that's the case doing the NYC ELs and subways would be an even bigger task. You got your work cut out for you already trying to finish the "Crash Trash & Abused", so let somebody else worry about doing other cities.I finally figured out the AI traffic without signals thing by using diverging paths and double reverse points:http://www.train-sim.com/dcforum/DCForumID3/19512.html
Sort of OT, I got my camera today, the CD350 model, $429 buckazoids from www.newegg.com. Any chance you could post them 3 EL construction pics you took at Pieritz Brothers?!

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I can post bigger ones if you want them, those are all GREATLY reduced in size.-Chris

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Being an old man I got lots of excuses, you get bit by a vampire or something?Yeah, what I generally do is reduce or crop to the largest dimension of 800x600 so it will fit on the screen without scrolling, I used to occasionally go as high as 850x600 until someone pointed out that not everyone has a 19" monitor and anything wider than 800 pixels is a PITA for them guys.That, for example, is a vertical shot cropped to 590 so you don't have to scroll up and down. Now that I got this new Sony digital to replace the old 35mm snapshot thingy, I should be able to get better quality pics than that in the subway.

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LAST EDITED ON Aug-08-03 AT 02:19 AM (EDT)

Might want to be careful about them shots of those unmarked restricted areas now! That grassy hill with swings sure looks like a place that the CTA may call a restricted area!-ChrisEdit: Watch out for the trees!

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Sniper297:
You're right about the differences in the Chicago and New York subways. New York tunnels resemble large rooms with lots of steel support beams and interesting nooks and crannies. One of the most facinating sights on the NY subway is to see a "tower" either from a train or from a station platform since they seem to almost always be at the ends of stations. Through large windows one can see busy transit employees surrounding a model board, a large black panel with a diagram of the immediate track layout illuminated by little red lights showing the positions of trains and the directions of the switches. Usually there is a cluster of double crossovers outside of the stations. Double slips are rare or non-existant. Modeling such a scene would be an interesting project for MSTS.Frederick Dreany, Island Electric, East

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Yeah, I was stationed at NAS Lakehurst in New Joisey back in the late 70's, had a buddy from Brooklyn, and went to NYC a couple times. I didn't think much of the ELs, but the subways were too cool. Chicago only has two, the State Street subway and the Dearborn Street subway. There used to be two connections where you could walk from one to the other, and I think somewhere it was possible for the trains to switch over from one to the other, but normally it's a straight thru run. Them New York subways looked like they had zillions of alternate diverging and converging paths underground, and did I see a double track crossover or was I really hammered that night? Jumpin jeesus, I was trying to remember and it just occured to me that was 25 years ago, all I have is an impression of stairs going up and down and square tunnels going every which way. Our Elevated is pretty cool, but our subways are pretty lame compared to what I remember of yours. Youse guys talk funny tho, I always wanted to get a can of purple spray paint and paint one of the commodes in a public washroom purple, just so I could hear one of you guys come in and say "Look, a poiple terlet!"

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LAST EDITED ON Aug-09-03 AT 09:15 AM (EDT)

One of the last remaining places I know that still have slip switches of any kind is the Myrtle Avenue/Broadway (Brooklyn) turn off.
EDIT: And I'm only talking about the Subway, not the LIRR or Metro North.
Stuart D. Guberman
Chief Operations Officer
Atlantic Coastal Railway
http://www.atlanticrail.com
P32 & Electric MU Engineer
MTA Metro North Railroad
http://www.mta.info/mnr

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