North Shore Line- Chicago… USA

Hey you CNS&M guys! I'm beginning work on a North Shore GE "Pup" (50-ton steeplecab) and need your input on sumptin'. I've seen in one picture the 454 with both poles swung back on the trolley wire. Was this typical operation, or only on power-short runs? Below is a view of the 454 -in YVT paint (havent got to texturing yet)- with the poles as described. I'm trying to decide which way to make it. I'm not used to seeing it done this way, but I kinda like it!
I'm open to suggestions about the Chicago North Shore Pup, and any photos or stories are appreciated.Thanks,Tim

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You sure it wasn't just another traction unit in the background with it's pole up? Straight-rope pole handling wasn't all that common on traction locomotives. I mention this because retractors (ratchet or active) wouldn't have the give necessary to run the poles like that.
(Hey, there's an idea for a new detail. Visible rope and retractors.)

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Tim, the only clue I can come up with are the following photo captions, first from CERA Bulletin #106, "Interurban To Milwaukee":"Locomotive 454 handles a switching job at Pettibone. Easily reversible trolley poles permit using both poles simultaneously when handling a heavy train".It appears that one pole has a trolley wheel, the other pole has a trolley shoe. The shoe would be on the bell end, which would be the front, judging by the F on the hood (actually, the F is on the box on the running board).In the companion book, "Route Of The Electroliners", there's a photo of 457, with this caption:"The 457 was a 1942 acquisition from the Arkansas Valley Interurban Railway. Although not identical to older North Shore Line steeple-cabs, it fitted neatly into the picture, and was operated interchangeably with the units of the 452-454 series. Evident here is North Shore Line trolley arrangement - one wheel trolley for switching, one shoe trolley for mainline running, both of them reversible - and frequently both were used together when handling a long drag".If I can get to a flatbed scanner, I'll post a picture or two.

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Thanks Guys,And Chuck, I've got the picture from that first quote, of the 454. But not that second one, the 457. I'd be interested in any and all pix you have of these puppies. Also plans of the Ex-Oregon Electric 458 and 459, but no hurry on those two 16-wheel monsters! This is good information. Thanx!!Tim

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Tim
Here's one to tackle considering it's shape close to the standard steeplecab, plus it's also former Oregon Electric
BTW gonna have to do a more sedate skin for that substation/depot for those not modeling CA&E
http://206.103.49.193/cae/htm/cae070.htm

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Hi Gary,Are you sure about that being Ex-Oregon Electric? It doesn't look like anything in my roster pictures. It's kinda reminescent of the Cedar Falls & Waterloo motor. Hmmm...but you never can be sure about these old things. It's very interesting, nonetheless!!Thanks!Tim

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Tim
I know the CA&E was the 4th owner on these motors,and the tape I picked up the info from mentioned both OE and I belive CF&W as the original owner but then the narrator on the tape did refer to the bridge over the C&NW in Wheaton as the Dupage river bridge and refered to the abandonment of the Batavia branch when they should have said the St. Charles branch (of course I find out about that lil goof after I'd laid out the terrain tiles)but as you stated interesting and a rather husky looking motor

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That wouldn't be a Pentrex tape would it? They're famous for getting their facts cock-eyed.

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Tim
Actualy it's Sunday River Productions
Gary

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Tim
Did a little checking and it seems the motor in question was indeed owned by the OE they were the # 3 owners just prior to the CA&E apparently they must be cursed because they took down all 4 owners
they were only on the property 3 years before the CA&E kacked it.
Gary

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