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I've posted a few progress shots showing current POV-Ray renderings here:
http://www.train-sim.com/dcforum/DCForumID6/6118.html#23Once this one is done, I'll get back to finishing the LU CO/CP V2.0 (with night time cab).Regards, Jimi

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RE: Chicago L - BV2400 series cab

The coffee mug has become kind of a signature item Gotta keep them motormen awake. Notice the CTA logo on this one?Given this is a Chicago train, I was going to put a coconut on the console as homage to Sniper...

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Honestly... Sniper and I were talking about that particular cup while riding on an 'L' during one of my recent visits to Chicago. We are in agreement that if a motorman did place a cup of coffee there he most certainly would not have it long, but instead it would be in his lap, or consequentlty thrown about the car. An 'L' ride isn't exactly gentle. Maybe a coconut would be more appropriate? -Chris
MSTS Chicago Elevated Railways

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Hee-hee, better still paint the coffee cup lying on it's side with coffee splashing across the console, and little sparks jumping out! Maybe a "Tommee Tippee" cup would work?BTW, Chris, I think I finally figured out that grade going from the subway to the median to the elevated structure, 1300ft with about a 50 foot rise would be a 26% grade, too much for any freight train!

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>1300ft with about a 50 foot rise would be a 26% gradeGee, I plug 50/1300 into my calculator and I get a 3.85% grade. A 26% grade would give 338 feet of rise in 1300 feet of run.David Beach.Palouse & LewistonChicago L - BV2400 series cab – image 5Route Building 1% Completed
Route Mapping 10% Completed

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Hee-hee, I never was any good at math. My understanding was the percent grade was one foot of rise in 100 feet equals one percent, so to get the grade you divide horizontal distance by vertical rise. My calculator says 50 goes into 1300 26 times. 1300 goes into 50 0.0385 times, but that looks backwards to me. That would make a 2% grade rise 200 feet in 100 horizontal feet.

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>one foot of rise in 100 feet equals one percentExactly, 1/100=0.01, which when multiplied by 100 (because you want percent) is 1%. Percent grade is (rise/run)*100 - Permil grade (which I've seen on some German documents) is (rise/run)*1000, so a steep grade of 4 percent becomes 40 permil.The 2% grade is a rise of 2 feet in 100 feet of run, 2%/100 to get 0.02 and then 0.02*100=2 feet.To be mathematically correct, the run must be the horizontal distance. But, for our purpose, track length will work for the run distance, at a "4% grade", the correct way of doing it you have a 4 foot rise, a 100 foot horizontal run, for a track length (Pythagoras) of 100 feet and almost an inch. If you have a 100 feet of track and a 4 foot rise, the correct calculation is that the run is "only" 99.92 feet, so the grade is 4.0032%. The difference is smaller for shallower grades, and in any case much smaller than all the other errors that the RE forces on us.David Beach.Palouse & LewistonChicago L - BV2400 series cab – image 6Route Building 1% Completed
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Let's just say it's pretty steep. My question is when ya gonna send me those pics? (You know, the ones I asked you to take when I was to scared to get out my camera) :..-(Also, small snag on sending you the disc, at the moment my CD-RW is not wanting to function properly... still working on issue, haven't forgotten you. -Chris
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"Also, small snag on sending you the disc, at the moment my CD-RW is not wanting to function properly... still working on issue, haven't forgotten you."
Never mind that, let's get the priorities straight, we want the next version of Chicago EL! That takes precedence over everything, I can wait for the other disk!
"My question is when ya gonna send me those pics?"
As soon as the next version of Chicago EL is on my HD, I'm holding the pics for ransom! Hee-hee, seriously I got them sitting here, I'll scan them in sometime this week. Zillion projects going at once, half finished loose threads everywhere. If I was trying to meet MS deadlines I'd come out with something worse than KUJU did! "Let's just say it's pretty steep." Amen to that, the coffee cup woulda been in the back car before we reached the top. That's why 3.85 somehow didn't sound right, the South Pass on the PO&N is 4.2%, and it doesn't look nearly as steep. To re-examine, however, a rise of 1 in 100 is 1%, so if it rose 13 feet in 1300 that would be 1%, 26 feet in 1300 = 2%, 39 feet in 1300 = 3%, 52 feet in 1300 = 4%. So David's formula is right on the money, like I said I was never any good with math.
Dave, we were actually guesstimating on that vertical rise, going by the guess that the Eisenhower is about 25 feet below grade, and the Douglas EL rises to 25 feet over Paulina Street. Trucks on the Ike run in the two right lanes, need 13' 6" clearance, and adding the estimated depth of the bridge structure, then the 13' 6" clearance from the Paulina St. bridge roadway to the bottom of the EL structure plus the girder work from the bottom of the EL structure to the top of the rail is how I came up with 50 feet, roughly 25 + 25. (When Chris first came out with V 0.1 last year he got some criticism that the height was wrong on the Lake St. EL (first line he did), but even that one rises and falls by as much as 30 feet depending on what it has to pass over and what kind of clearance is needed underneath.)
The 1300 was also a guesstimate, going by where the grade starts (about Laflin, 1500w) and where it ends up (Paulina, 1700w). I figured just under 2 city blocks (5280/8=660 feet per city block) for the horizontal length, not very scientific. I suppose I could drag out my tape measure and bail bond card and go measure it, but it's kinda chilly right now and I'm getting far too old to be climbing around on EL structures!So for your next trig trick, gimmee the radius of this curve!

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Here's some in-sim shots of what I think is the final daytime cab. Night-time version is in development. (No LU fans, I haven't forgotten LU V2 - I recently learned some new tricks in 3DC Pro so I'm significantly cleaning up and enhancing the LU daytime cab, then building a new night-time version of that too).Three views with some brief comentary...FRONT VIEW.
After slowing from 55mph at about 4.5mph/sec the coffee mug is still in place (there's a big hunk of Velcro underneath it. Trust me). Cineston CTBC controller is in Idle (coast) as we head for the platform. Aspect indicator is showing Approach with the ATC max track speed showing 35mph. Speed display bar shows about 18mph. Normally (with a Clear aspect) we'd be approaching at about 55mph until the start of the platform, then decelerating in notch B3 or even B4 (detaching Sniper's retinas as he attempts to stand upright in the rear of the car) as we hurtle to a stop in about 8 seconds flat. No subtelty here - to paraphrase Chris's instructions regarding L Motorman emulation: "drive it like you hate it".Chicago L - BV2400 series cab – image 10LEFT VIEW.
Looking across the full-width cab area we can see the details on the switch panel. Many of these switches are animated in the front view. Notice the view out of the rear-most windows is slightly tinted and faded, as we are looking through 2 sets of glass to the outside and get some reflection/refraction effects. Control panel on the far wall is for the left-side doors, etc. No sign of any passengers in the car - they're all likely on the floor, after first smashing into the cab rear wall due to our genteel braking.Chicago L - BV2400 series cab – image 11RIGHT VIEW.
More subtle lighting tricks to emulate the sunlight (in Chicago?) reflecting off the windows and the refraction looking through the cab rear and car side windows. Closer view of the right-side door control and announcement panel. As can be seen, the cab rear window is double-glazed, armored saftey glass. This helps mute the screams from the passenger area.Chicago L - BV2400 series cab – image 12Regards, Jimi
L2 Contributor and token Rocket Scientist.

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