KCS orders 30 SD70ACe

LAST EDITED ON Jan-26-05 AT 11:59 AM (EST)

This was posted on the Railspot yahoogroup, and it was taken from the KCS News website."KCSR to purchase 30 new SD70ACe locomotives
Last week, KCSR agreed to purchase 30 new SD70ACe locomotives from
the Electro-Motive Division of General Motors Corporation (GM) to be
delivered in fourth quarter 2005. In 2004, GM offered KCSR a 75-day, free trial of two, new SD70ACe locomotives. The same demonstration units will be returned to KCSR in January at no charge and be returned back to GM upon delivery of the new units. The primary benefit of the new SD70ACe is that it can pull 9.6 percent more 110-ton coal cars than any of the locomotives currently in KCSR's fleet."

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EMD yea! thats awsome that KCS bought them instead of the GEVO's.

Shawn.
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what is this now?let's see here
100 for UP
25 for CSX
52 for NS (DC transmissions)
15 for some Aussie outfit
16 for MRL and now this?hey that would be good for EMD, but with the sale on the horizon I wonder how much of a difference it'll make
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It's already a done deal (like a week ago).Austin

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Where did you get 52 SD70M-2's for NS?

Jake Mensel

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The rumor mill although I don't know if that's correct.
that one came from my PDA
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53 ES44AC's for BNSF
150 ES44DC's for BNSF
115 ES44AC's for UP
50 ES44AC's for CSX
60 ES44DC's for CN52 SD70DCe's for NS
13 SD70ACe's for BHP Billition
16 SD70ACe's for MRL
30 SD70ACe's for KCS
>Mike Forster<
Perth, Western AustraliaMike.Forster.2005@gmail.com
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So 428 for GE and 211 for EMD. You guys made it sound like EMD was doing better than GE. Whew, I'm glad I checked the facts!Joe LeMay

One of us Railfans from Downers Grove, IL

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>52 SD70DCe's for NS
>13 SD70ACe's for BHP Billition
>16 SD70ACe's for MRL
>30 SD70ACe's for KCS and you fogot the 25 for CSX
-Dave, Secretary of the Scrap the SD60F federation!

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>53 ES44AC's for BNSF
>150 ES44DC's for BNSF
>115 ES44AC's for UP
>50 ES44AC's for CSX
>60 ES44DC's for CN I heard 200 ES44AC's for UP, 200 GEVO's (50 DC, 150 AC) for BNSF, 100 ES44DC (not AC) for CSXT, and no CN units in 2005.

Pres. of Lehigh Locomotive Works

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LAST EDITED ON Jan-27-05 AT 03:18 PM (EST)

Sean Graham-White posted this in the Loconotes yahoogroup.Add to this list 52 NS SD70M-2
and 30 KCS SD70ACeHe adds NS has no GE's on order, and that CN says it doesn't have any new locos coming this year. The February 2005 Progressive Railroading confirms the
following orders:
200 C45ACCTE for UP
115 SD70ACe for UP
10 Green Goats for UP
1 TES for UP
150 ES44DC for BNSF
50 ES44AC for BNSF
4 Green Goats for BNSF
100 ES44DC for CSXT
16 SD70ACe for MRL
13 SD70ACe for BHP
2 Green Goats for KCS

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>1 TES for UP Just what exacly is a TES?
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I had the same question, which I posed at loconotes. I'm told it's a "Truck engined switcher" with a couple of semi truck engines in there, and It seems like it's kinda green-goat-ish

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Cool! Thanks
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>Where did you get 52 SD70M-2's for NS? It was in the newest Diesel Era.

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Im VERY supprised at UP ordering 115 SD70ACe's. These will be thier first 4000/4300hp AC EMD's. You sure thier not SD70DCe's? This will make more sense! >Mike Forster<
Perth, Western AustraliaMike.Forster.2005@gmail.com
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Well they managed to dump a demo unit in the Gunnison River.
They must've ordered it based on that
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no, UP has ordered ACe.They have at least a couple hundred 4300 HP "convertible" (though I doubt they'll ever see 265H engines) SD90MAC's that UP has labeled SD9043MAC.

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All GE's must die, except for the Dash 8!Alec

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Don't hold your breath there Alec.GE is taking over.GM/EMD better come up with some good stuff real quick like.Claude Debnam NS Piedmont Division Raleigh East

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Nice to see some intelligent conversation, apart from Alec Brad, It will be interesting to see now with the sale of EMD to "the new guys" whether or not they can muster up something with the 265H engine. Perhaps a 12 cylinder 265H Tier 2 loco?>Mike Forster<
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>Brad, It will be interesting to see now with the sale of EMD
>to "the new guys" whether or not they can muster up
>something with the 265H engine. Perhaps a 12 cylinder 265H
>Tier 2 loco? IIRC the 265H is already Tier-2 compliant. I would assume its because it is a four stroke rather than EMD's traditional two stroke design.I've always somewhat been a fan of the 265H only because it uses Antifreeze so the locomotives can be shut down in the winter, thus polluting less and saving fuel, which leads into saving money.
-Dave, Secretary of the Scrap the SD60F federation!

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The 265H was always intended to be EMD's Tier II compliant prime mover. It's just not reliable enough to be used in daily service just yet though.DanEveryone is entitled to their opinion no matter how wrong it is.

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I dont hate GE's( it just gets boring watching CSX,UP and BNSF trains when all they have on the trains are dash 9's or Ac4400CW's) but EMD's are the best in my opinion.Proof is that the GE's U30c's got retired way before some sd40's and SD45's! Just my two cents Sheesh!Alec

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Im fine with both GE's and EMD's. I rarely see them seems im next to Regional Railroads and not Class 1.

Shawn.
Guilford Rail System
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LAST EDITED ON Jan-30-05 AT 12:14 PM (EST)

FWIW here is the latest Gevo order status I could find off of Train-Orders and GE-LocosBNSF/GE 5718-5747 30 ES44AC
NS/GE 7500-7514 15 ES40DC
UP/GE 5695-5699 5 ES44AC
UP 5354-5553 200 ES44AC
BNSF 5748-5797 50 ES44AC
BNSF 7650-7799 150 ES44DC
CP ? 40 ES44AC
CSX ? 100 ES44DCLooks like a total of 590Against what for GM's SD70ACe and SD70m-2???????It still is not your father's EMD especially in the marketing department! Edit: looks like my table got screwed up so I do I do that on here.... It even compresses the formating spaces I used to replace the TABS.....
Chuck Schneider
Chief Cook, Bottle Washer and (Virtual) CEO

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LAST EDITED ON Jan-30-05 AT 07:53 PM (EST)

You know for awhile EMD had their noses in the air and had the take it or leave atitude.The 50 series locos were also a major letdown.This sort of put a bad taste in the mouth of potential buyer and the faithful EMD customers.GE stepped up to the plate and gave the railroads what they wanted and at a cheaper price.I love EMD and if I had my way that's all that would be out there but GE is going to be there leading the way for a very long time I do believe.For a very long time KCS was strictly an EMD buyer but they are buying unit from GE now.Claude Debnam NS Piedmont Division Raleigh East

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> You know for awhile EMD had their noses in the air and had the take it or leave atitude.The 50 series locos were also a major letdown.This sort of put a bad taste in the mouth of potential buyer and the faithful EMD customers.GE stepped up to the plate and gave the railroads what they wanted and at a cheaper price.I love EMD and if I had my way that's all that would be out there but GE is going to be there leading the way for a very long time I do believe.For a very long time KCS was strictly an EMD buyer but they are buying unit from GE now.From what I understand, KCS had a vast fleet of SD50s. What was the problem that railroads had with these locomotives?

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Problems were caused by EMD pushing the envelope of the 645 powerplant.Excessive stress and vibrations were caused by EMD trying to get more power out of powerplant that was having a hard time reaching it.Railroads that had GP/SD 50 models had to send the units in for amjor overhauls because of this and the powerplant had to be redesigned.Claude Debnam NS Piedmont Division Raleigh East

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Not to mention in many cases a derating of the prime mover to around 3300/3200hp.DanEveryone is entitled to their opinion no matter how wrong it is.

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> Problems were caused by EMD pushing the envelope of the 645 powerplant.Excessive stress and vibrations were caused by EMD trying to get more power out of powerplant that was having a hard time reaching it.Railroads that had GP/SD 50 models had to send the units in for amjor overhauls because of this and the powerplant had to be redesigned.How was GE able then to use the 7FDL engine from the U25B all the way up to the Dash9s and AC44CWs of today?

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I hate to say it but the 7FDL based on a Cooper-Bessemer 4 cycle design was inherently a much better design with "growth" built in... Where as most of the 2 cycle GMs were running in a "hot tune" almost from the get go...Chuck Schneider
Chief Cook, Bottle Washer and (Virtual) CEO

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> I hate to say it but the 7FDL based on a Cooper-Bessemer 4 cycle design was inherently a much better design with "growth" built in... Where as most of the 2 cycle GMs were running in a "hot tune" almost from the get go...But what's confusing is why are there more SD40-2s running around today while most of GEs U-boats and Dash7s have been shelved? Are there reliability issues with other things, such as the electronics?

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Nope GE was making more money selling reconditioned parts for GM rebuilds and never got into the refurb business...That and no one else had access to their parts either...Chuck Schneider
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I would say the thing that realy hurt EMD was the SD45. after spending so much money on SD45s the railroads where a little worried about the quality and reliabilty EMD. GE jumped on thier chance to gain market share and hasn't looked back since. My question is why is EMD going back to the 70 series, did they get too far ahead of themselves with the SD80s and SD90s?Just down the road from the CSX/NS Buckeye Yard.
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The SD45 was actually quite popular model, if you include all versions....SD45
SD45P
SDF45
SDFP45
SD45-2
SD45-2BRemember that the SD45 was launched in 1967. It wasnt until the early 80's when EMD started to loose lots of business thanks to the reliability of the SD50/GP50 (16-645F3) as mentioned above. Besides, the SD45 was essentially powered by a 20 cylinder 645E3. The SD40's have a 16-645E3.>Mike Forster<
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Early SD45's were plauged by a variety of ailments, not the least of which were breaking crankshafts (Hmmm....where have I heard that before on a V20...). They sold lots of units sure, but look at how many of them are still around with V20's....not too many.By the time the Dash-2 program rolled around, many railroads were weary of the V20's despite the fact that EMD had sorted out the vast majority of their issues, and so the 45-2 didn't even come close to the numbers built that the 40-2 did.DanEveryone is entitled to their opinion no matter how wrong it is.

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>Im VERY supprised at UP ordering 115 SD70ACe's.
>These will be thier first 4000/4300hp AC EMD's. You sure
>thier not SD70DCe's? This will make more sense!
>
>>Mike Forster<
>Perth, Western Australia
>
But they Already have 308 SD9043MACs in the 8000 Series. They also have 60 SD90MACs in the 8500 series (6000 HP Versions 40 of them with the new nose).From what I have heard the SD70ACEs will be in the 8300-8400 series takeing over where the SD9043MAC left off at. I am still waiting and wanting to see one of these in the UP Yellow with the Wings on the front.

Chris Knight
UP fan since I was a kid!

I do believe Surfliner is a real route. I hope to get it soon.
Now to get my crappy computer fixed.
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The order for 52 SD70M-2's for NS has been confirmed. The number block will be 2649-2700.I have been told that NS doesn't like the new ES40DC's they are testing and that is the reason the order is all EMD this year.

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