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Member since Oct-12-03 · 173 posts

Don't know if there is any truth to any of this... but it sure did make me chuckle today when I saw it in my e-mail. Any "gurus" wish to credit or discredit any of this information?
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Modern Engineering … A Most Exact Science 4 Feet, 8 and 1/2 Inches? … A Strange Number; Why? The U.S. standard railroad gauge (distance between the rails) is 4 feet, 8.5 inches. That is an exceedingly odd number. Why was that gauge used? Because that's the way they built them in England, and the U.S. railroads were built by English expatriates. Why did the English build them that way? Because the first rail lines were built by the same people who built the pre-railroad tramways, and that's the gauge they used. Why did "they" use that gauge then? Because the people who built the tramways used the same jigs and tools that they used for building wagons, which used that wheel spacing. So why did the wagons have that particular odd spacing? Well, if they tried to use any other spacing, the wagon wheels would break on some of the old, long distance roads in England, because that's the spacing of the wheel ruts. So who built those old rutted roads? The first long distance roads in Europe (and England) were built by Imperial Rome for their legions. The roads have been used ever since. And the ruts in the roads? Roman war chariots first formed the ruts in the roads, which everyone had to match for fear of destroying their wagon wheels. Since the chariots were made for (or by) Imperial Rome, they were all alike in the matter of wheel spacing. The U.S. standard railroad gauge of 4 feet-8.5 inches derives from the original specification for an Imperial Roman war chariot.Specifications and bureaucracies live forever. So the next time you are handed a specification and wonder what horse's @$$ came up with it, you may be exactly right, because the Imperial Roman war chariots were made just wide enough to accommodate the back end of two war horses. Thus we have the answer to the original question. Now the twist to the story: When we see a space shuttle sitting on it's launching pad, there are two booster rockets attached to the side of the main fuel tank. These are solid rocket boosters, or SRB's. The SRB's are made by Thiokol at their factory in Utah. The engineers who designed the SRB's might have preferred to make them a bit fatter, but the SRB's had to be shipped by train from the factory to the launch site. The railroad line from the factory had to run through a tunnel in the mountains. The tunnel is slightly wider than the railroad track, and the railroad track is about as wide as two horses' behinds. So, the major design feature of what is arguably the worlds most advanced transportation system was determined over two thousand years ago by the width of a horse's @$$!!! Don't you just love engineering?

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I'm not a guru at anything, but that is all true. And that's why Hi-rail trucks work - the tires line up with the tracks! If you measure the distance between between the tires on your car, it should be close to 4' 8½". (Unless you have a Hummer or very small car .) Two horses' widths go a long way!Joe LeMay

One of us Railfans from Downers Grove, IL

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Member since Jul-13-04 · 94 posts

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I have also heard that the guage comes from the width of two horses. Saw it on TV one time so it can't possibly be wrong. It was on Discovery or TLC I think. Oddly enough, as I type this I am watching the Mythbusters about peeing on the third rail. Evidently it doesn't electricute you. TV is great.

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IIRC the Mythbusters episode's findings were that you would not be electrocuted unless you were capable of producing a solid stream from the source to the electrified rail. Without degrading this conversation too much... It appears as if it is VERY difficult to "produce a solid stream"

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One day, when I was in town, I heard an elderly lady asking a police officer whether she would get a shock when walking over the tramway tracks. The officer answered only if she managed to get one foot up to touch the catenary... :p Cheers!Sebastian

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As usual, the best response to these sorts of posts can be found at Snopes' Urban Legends site: http://www.snopes.com/history/american/gauge.htmAs the Snopes discussion notes, there's a fair bit of truth in the discussion, but it's not as definitive as it sounds. For instance, there were several rail gauges in use well into (and probably at the end of) the Civil War, so the final acceptance of the 4'8-1/2" gauge has some degree of chance associated with it. You'll have a hard time convincing me that that extra 1/2" has anything to do with the Roman chariot wheel spacing - that's much too accurate to have been carried forward for that length of time. It's not like the ruts in those old roads had no room at all for spacings that were slightly different.Anyway, it's an interesting little discussion.Andy

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