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Member since Oct-6-03 · 82 posts

Just heard about an Amtrak derailment north of Jackson MS. Any other info??

John - SC MP95

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RE: Amtrak Derailment, BNSF4723, Apr-06-04, 11:27 PM, (1) RE: Amtrak Derailment, lucky1001, Apr-07-04, 01:20 AM, (2) RE: Amtrak Derailment, ASR_Q301, Apr-07-04, 08:59 AM, (3) RE: Amtrak Derailment, rvertacnik, Apr-08-04, 10:58 PM, (4) RE: Amtrak Derailment, TonyBzt, Apr-09-04, 00:52 AM, (5) RE: Amtrak Derailment, highball5, Apr-09-04, 01:03 AM, (6) RE: Amtrak Derailment, CGW409, Apr-09-04, 02:51 PM, (8) RE: Amtrak Derailment, paulno, Apr-09-04, 01:21 AM, (7)

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RE: Amtrak Derailment

I read that the FBI was sent out just to make sure it was really an accident.If you want to travel plain take a plane, If you want to travel in style take a train!

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Here are some very interesting links that Shane sent me on MSN...http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=519&e=2&u=/ap/amtrak_derailmentThis link is very scary. Some real hard-core evidence on the accident.http://www.trainorders.com/discussion/read.php?1,711582My prayers go out to the families and friends of not only the deceased person, but also the injured passengers.Looks like a P40DC on the lead.>Mike Forster<
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I read the replies on your second link, and even though I found plenty of hard core speculation, I found nothing that could even be remotely considered as evidence.

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2 years ago, my son and I travelled with the City of New Orleans. I couldn't sleep in the upper bed in spite of the very bad rails !
More than a dozen times I thought the train would derail, it was the worsed ride which I ever did by train !!!This accident isn't very surprising !
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A few years ago when the Zephyr derailed near Nodaway, Iowa there was instant suspicions both privately and even in the papers and on the news that there may have been some sort of sabotage involved.
That coupled with some known problems with the lead engine, horn wasn't working, having to slow at crossing with conductor riding in the trailing unit sounding it's horn, then instructions from the next dispatcher on duty to stop and manually flag all crossings made for a real jumble. Final outcome was that a recently replaced rail was defective, weak/crystalized internally and despite lots of freight traffic over it in the preceding hours, it held up until #5 crossed it then it gave out. Seeing the word "sabotage" sells lots more papers and makes for dramatic reading than does "broken rail".

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Mike
I had a few doubts about "natural causes" in that derailment after seeing the location but thuoght it could just be an accident.
The Chicago Trib noted that the section of track was recently inspected and that only days prior a track geometry car had passed over the line with no defects detected so in light of recent threats by Al queda it's probably best to go with sabotage as the first thing to look at and make doubly sure that's not the cause.Gary S


42 year old future curmudgen(Hey you kids get offa my lawn!!)

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Member since Mar-30-04 · 3 posts

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Here in New Orleans, this derailment is big news, as the train originated here. I saw train 58 at lunchtime as is passed through the CN/IC Mays Yard mainline. I was thinking how relaxing a trip on the City of New Orleans would be...
Here is a story from Jackson, MS.
Date: Wed Apr 7, 2004 4:22 pm
Subject: Fw: Jackson Story on CITY Derailment
From the Jackson paperhttp://www.clarionledger.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20040407/NEWS01/4
0407009April 7, 2004
Four remain hospitalized in wake of Amtrak wreckBy Jeremy Hudson
jehudson@c...
And And Lora Hines
lohines@c...Four victims of an Amtrak train derailment Tuesday in rural Yazoo County remained hospitalized today, with the two most seriously injured showing improvement.One person, 68-year-old Clara L. Downs of Chicago, died and 65 were
injured when the City of New Orleans derailed Tuesday on a trestle near the Big Black River on the Madison County-Yazoo County line, authorities said.Harold Gater/The Clarion-LedgerTwo passengers, both Amtrak employees, were the most seriously injured
and remain hospitalized at the University of Mississippi Medical Center today. Both critical last night, one is in serious condition and the other is in good condition, UMC public relations staffers said.The 38-year-old female Amtrak employee has not been identified, but the male employee, 43-year-old Amtrak chef Joey Bishop of Hammond, La., was identified by his stepbrother, Ben Husser, 31, of Jackson.
Clifford Black, director of media relations for Amtrak, said today that of 58 people needing hospital treatment, all but four passengers and crew have been released.Amtrack spent this morning assisting passengers housed at the Quality Inn on Greymont Drive in Jackson in getting to their final destinations, Black said.He would not release a list of passengers. “We are dealing with our
passengers on a one-to-one basis,” he said.The cause of the derailment is not known, Black said.
“It happened so fast,” said passenger Jacqueline Minette, who was thrown to the ceiling of the car as it toppled off the tracks.“The only thing I kept saying was, ‘Not like this. I can’t go like
this,’” said Minette, who was traveling from Pelahatchie to Chicago.The train derailed at 6:35 p.m. one mile north of the Madison-Yazoo
county line near Flora’s Kearney Park, on a section of track where there have been several other freight-train derailments. The New
Orleans-to-Chicago liner had just left Jackson and was headed to its next stop in Yazoo City.Early today, investigators from CN Railroad and Amtrak arrived at the
crash scene, along with a number of law officers and representatives from the Mississippi Emergency Management Agency.National Transportation Safety Board officials arrived shortly before
noon, officials said.Madison County Sheriff’s Department deputies blocked off Ratliff Road, a dirt road that runs parallel to the railroad tracks and the wreckage. A number of residents who assisted in the rescue efforts live on the road.Law officers kept members of the media and the public away from the
scene, only allowing investigators to view the wreckage.On Tuesday, passenger Bertha Cooley of Vossburg said she overheard an
Amtrak attendant warn a couple just before the crash that they were
“about to get on the rough track between Jackson and Yazoo.”“Then we started going everywhere,” said Cooley, who was traveling to
Memphis, where her 23-year-old daughter was to start cancer treatment.After the cars came to a halt, Cooley said, she crawled out an emergency exit and under the car to safety. The passengers remained calm and helped one another, she said.Triage was set up near the crash site. One man walked around with a dazed look on his face. His clothes were dirty. A woman with a child was limping. Another woman asked where she was as she started to talk on her cell phone.Passengers wrote their names on a dry-erase board as emergency officials tried to identify passengers and their injuries.Dozens of passengers were lined up on the rails and were being tended to by medics. Some of them were on backboards.Rondalynne Hogan and her two daughters, 18-month-old Reqhia Wyatt and
4-year-old Aries Russell, were headed home to Chicago. They had boarded the train in Hammond, La.Hogan said she heard a ringing sound and grabbed her two daughters.
Something hit her in the head, knocking her unconscious. She awoke to
find her car on its side.Aries was standing by her side screaming. Reqhia was on the ground and
had rocks in her mouth. A man was saying, “I am alive! Thank God! I’m
alive!”A woman was saying repeatedly, “Don’t let them leave me here,” Hogan
said. Another woman appeared to be dead, Hogan said. A man helped Hogan and her children out of the car through an emergency exit.Hogan complained of pain on her left side from her head to her feet.
“The cars are just tangled up,” she said.Part of the track was missing from the rail bed. It was not clear how the track had been displaced.Lauren Peduzzi, a spokeswoman for the National Transportation Safety
Board, said a team of investigators was being assembled.
The train had one engine and nine cars. Initial reports indicate the
engine and the last car were the only ones left on the track.Gov. Haley Barbour declared a state of emergency and was expected to tour the site today. He called the crash a “horrible tragedy.”At the crash site, Sheila Doyle, who was on a backboard, complained of an injured back. She was wearing one shoe. Her husband, Charles Lortz, was standing next to her with a back pack.Doyle and Lortz were among the passengers in an observation car. They
said they saw a cloud of dust and the train started tipping on its side. Her husband said, “Oh, my God, we are derailing.”Rescuers used rail cars and all-terrain vehicles to take injured
passengers to ambulances more than a mile away from the remote crash
site. The injured were taken to five area hospitals.

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