Question for any of you engineers out there

What do you do if you're rolling down the "high iron" and you have to take a leak?I'm not trying to troll or be rude here, but I really want to know. Unlike train-sim, where you can just pause or save when nature calls, you can't exactly leave your seat can you? Do you have to wait until you have a chance to stop, or are there other...well..."procedures"?

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Simple, have the other crewmember watch the rail and train while you are using the facilities.AustinRemembering the Milwaukee Road Virtually...
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Locomotives are equipped with crappers. They are usually located in the nose.

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Do all have them in the nose? I'm certain some over here in Australia dont.What about on steam engines?
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In some pictures of narrow-gauge locomotives, like the K-36, I've seen some sort of booth on the end of the tender, and I've always thought it was a cr@pper. Can anyone correct me if I'm wrong?MTA Going your way for 100 years. 1904-2004

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That is the doghouse. At one time rules required that a brakeman ride there to keep watch on the train and to assist when backing.Kevin Arceneaux
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Oh, I see... Thanks. Learn something new every day.MTA Going your way for 100 years. 1904-2004

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No, not all have a restroom in the nose. I was riding the cab a few days ago, a few miles south of here, the loco didn't have a door to the nose. (BNSF GP38-2) In E-Units, it was in the engineroom.(Smelly engineroom!) But most do have a restroom in the nose. On steam locomotives, I guess you just shoot it out the door.
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AdamWhat about on steam engines?That's another reason not to stand too close to the tracks Gary S

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Hey guys,Back in the steam engines days, the guys would take a dump on the shovel, and throw it into the firebox with some coal. If the engineman or fireman needed to go number 1, they would piss in the coal in the tender. Now as for oil burners, well, that's a different story.Mike

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>Locomotives are equipped with crappers. They are usually
>located in the nose. Unless it's an older NS unit, then you got your little baggie! Chris Denbow - Baltimore, MD
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Simple, have the other crewmember watch the rail and train while you are using the facilities.Really? It's OK to let the other guy (the conductor I guess) do that? So are conductors trained in basic train handling as well? Or is it a case of don't touch nothing except to dump the air if anything bad starts to happen?...I guess with a Steamer, you're stuck hanging your butt over the side?I do know that the big towboats on the rivers have a crapper under the helmsman's seat (which folds up). That way he doesn't have to leave the helm when he needs to go, because on the river, there really isn't a good time to do so.

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Yes it is ok to let the conductor watch over things while he pisses.
Some conductors do know how to wrestle a train. But usually the engineer will wait until there is a place where smooth sailing is allowed and then he will run on down to the $#!tter. Or the engineer can always shout up to the conductor and tell him what to do if a slow down needs to take place. But usually just tooting the horn is all that they would have to do.

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Here, in Europe, almost all the trains are single crew, so you must take your precaution BEFORE the ride... anyhow there is no toilet aboard the engines!
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>Really? It's OK to let the other guy (the conductor I
>guess) do that? So are conductors trained in basic train
>handling as well? Or is it a case of don't touch nothing
>except to dump the air if anything bad starts to happen?
>I always assumed Conductors and engineers were in the same career stream (no pun intended). I guess I just thought that since conductors are basically in charge of the train that they were promoted from the ranks of engineers. Do many people switch careers between engineer and conductor?

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Dave:You have it backwards. Engineers are promoted from Conductor. On the Union Pacific the normal stream would be you hire out as a Switchman but would probably be trained and qualified as a Conductor also. When the need for Engineers arises then a notice is put out on a particular subdivision that announces Engineer training positions are available. It is the Trainmen (Switchmen/Brakemen/Conductors) that are allowed to bid on those positions. When a Trainmen becomes an Engineer he/she retains their seniority rights as a Trainman so if he was cutoff as an Engineer, he could go back to being a Trainmen. Those are the only times that employees would switch jobs. Also it is of past days when the Conductor was in charge of the train. On the Union Pacific the Conductor and Engineer share equal responsibility.And FYI while working as a Trainman you would NOT receive any formal training for operating the train.PatchCrew
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BNSF just has the conductor and engineer position. A new conductor gets trained as a hostler (can move engines around the yard ONLY) and now is trained on remotes. So technically a conductor can drive a train . The railroad is all about seniority! You do what your seniority will let you do. Most conductors try to be engineers. New hires generally recieve the training after 2yrs but don't have enough senority to hold a position. I worked with a few UP conductors that never became engineers. Times have changed though. Now conductors HAVE to take the engineer test. If they fail, they are fired.Nick

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>Now conductors HAVE to take the engineer test. If
>they fail, they are fired. No they don't. At least with UP. I have two family members that are/were conductors. One of them is now a peer trainer for remotes, but that's not quite engineer training. The other is still a conductor. No engineer training required, nor on the horizon. Granted, they have had the very basics of operation that even brakemen/switchmen are required to have.And as for the original post, yes, the conductor will "man" the engine while the engineer is taking a "break". Courtesy dictates that any smelly business takes place in the B unit. -Jeff

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>Hey guys,
>
>Back in the steam engines days, the guys would take a dump
>on the shovel, and throw it into the firebox with some coal.
> If the engineman or fireman needed to go number 1, they
>would piss in the coal in the tender. Now as for oil
>burners, well, that's a different story.
>
>MikeRealy, didn't the engine crew use the shovel to heat their food too? Ewww! Well, nature realy doesen't care if you're busy or not, when you need to go you need to go! Iether that or hold it as long as you can.../JonatanSteam rules!

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Some crews might have brung two shovels, one for the cr@pper and one for the food! 'Cause I don't like the idea that they use just one shovel for the cr@pper and... ughhhhhhhhhh... MTA Going your way for 100 years. 1904-2004

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Thanks for clearing that up for me. SPeaking or seniority, do the senior engineers get any say in what work they do? For example, through freights as opposed to local, stop and go operations? Do crews prefer one type of operations to another generally, or is it really a personal preference?

Dave Reage
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Yeah Austin, that's what conductors like myself are for eh? "Hey kid, watch the alerter."
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Were is the crapper on an electric loco or a hydrollic loco?

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For those of you that WANT to see a locomotive crapper,here are some pic'sThey came from the www.CSX-sucks.com sitehttp://www.csx-sucks.com/pictures/ R.I.P Norfolk and Western,at least I got to know ya
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