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cjmaclean (603 posts)
Nov-26-01, 04:15 AM (EST) "POLL: What If You Could Have..." Hi folks,
about two or three weeks ago I saw a TV report about a railroad convention of sorts, where they said something like "from all over the country people are coming with their private locomotives".
Well, my first thought upon hearing this was, "a private locomotive, now THAT must be pretty cool!"Anyway, how about a poll with the following question: If you had the opportunity to get hold of a locomotive for your own private use (maybe in place of a biz jet ), what type/class/series of loco would you choose?
Here's what I would opt for:* German DB class 41 2-8-2 fast freight or class 78 4-6-4 passenger tank steamer (for those Sunday drives *LOL*)* DB class 104 1'Co1' or class 118 1'Do1' electric* Italian class E 424 or E 645/646 electric* BR class 7 (Britannia) 4-6-2* Any NOHAB Co'Co' diesel-electricBest,D.M. Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top
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Subject Author Message Date ID RE: POLL: Privately owned locomotiv... ge44tonner Nov-26-01 1 RE: POLL: Privately owned locomotiv... cjmaclean Nov-26-01 2 RE: POLL: Privately owned locomotiv... cjmaclean Nov-26-01 3 RE: POLL: Acquire a Russian 4-14-4... ge44tonner Nov-26-01 7 RE: POLL: Russian AA-20 cjmaclean Nov-26-01 10 RE: POLL: Buying a Privately owned ... ge44tonner Nov-26-01 8 RE: POLL: Buying a Privately owned ... cjmaclean Nov-27-01 17 RE: POLL: Buying a Privately owned ... ge44tonner Nov-27-01 22 RE: POLL: Buying a Privately owned ... cjmaclean Nov-27-01 24 RE: POLL: Buying a Privately owned ... ge44tonner Nov-27-01 25 RE: POLL: Buying a Privately owned ... cjmaclean Nov-27-01 26 RE: POLL: What If You Could Have... henry3 Nov-26-01 4 RE: POLL: What If You Could Have... Euston Nov-26-01 5 RE: POLL: What If You Could Have... BigDave Nov-26-01 6 RE: POLL: What If You Could Have... Kuchinator Nov-26-01 9 RE: POLL: What If You Could Have... rgarber Nov-26-01 11 RE: POLL: What If You Could Have... henry3 Nov-27-01 16 RE: POLL: What If You Could Have... Boweavel Nov-27-01 18 RE: POLL: What If You Could Have... rgarber Nov-27-01 23 RE: POLL: What If You Could Have... plainsman Nov-26-01 12 RE: POLL: What If You Could Have... AM_ROAD Nov-26-01 13 RE: POLL: What If You Could Have... cjmaclean Nov-27-01 14 RE: POLL: What If You Could Have... downside Nov-27-01 15 RE: POLL: What If You Could Have... rdfox Nov-27-01 19 RE: POLL: What If You Could Have... cjmaclean Nov-27-01 20 RE: POLL: What If You Could Have... easagrippa Nov-27-01 21 RE: POLL: What If You Could Have... gordonfan Dec-16-01 27 RE: POLL: What If You Could Have... cjmaclean Dec-17-01 28 RE: POLL: What If You Could Have... gordonfan Dec-17-01 29

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ge44tonner (36 posts)
Nov-26-01, 11:25 AM (EST) 1. "RE: POLL: Privately owned locomotives..." LAST EDITED ON Nov-26-01 AT 11:56 AM (EST)I gather from your list of choices that you are from Western Europe. Perhaps Germany or Austria? Here in the USA, I personally know several people who own private locomotives. The usual arrangement is for members of a train museum to own a locomotive, then lease it to the museum for use. That way, the private owner gets a location where he can store and operate it, and the museum gets access to a locomotive that they otherwise could not afford to purchase.
In terms of popular choices of what locomotives , among the people I know in Kansas USA the locomotives are:
General Motors 'EMD' type E8A; two examples
General Motors 'EMD' type FP9A (now sold out-of-state)
General Motors 'EMD' type GP7 or GP9; three examples
General Motors 'EMD' type SD9
General Motors 'EMD' type NW2
General Electric 44-ton centercab; two examples
Alco type S3 (now leased to an industrial user)
Alco type C415 (damaged by vandalism and now scrapped)
Whitcomb 12-ton diesel (3-foot gage)
Plymouth 5-ton diesel
Steam type 0-4-0T (disassembled awaiting restoration)
Steam type 2-6-2 (3-foot gage, for sale if interested)I also know several persons who own passenger cars or cabooses for private use.
What would I get for myself personally? I own one of the General Electric 44-tonners. My reasons for this choice were because it has a diesel engines of reasonably common type with maintenance parts available, could be acquired at reasonable cost, and was large enough for reasonable service while still small enough that it could be moved by highway transport if necessary. It eventually was necessary to move by highway, the large railroads in the US are generally uncooperative in allowing historical or privately owned locomotives to use their tracks. I have also over the years owned several other 44-tonners which were in time donated to the hosting railroad museums.
Sure, I'd love to have a steam locomotive of some type, but the maintenance is a real burden. At least here in the US, it is getting difficult to find an operable or restorable steam locomotive at reasonable cost. I considered one of the Swedish type 2-8-0 offered a few years ago, or one of the Chinese SY or SJ class 2-8-2, but it was more costly than I could afford, and transporting one overseas was more hassle than I wanted to tackle. I also thought that a Russian class P36 4-8-4 would be a really great locomotive, but the gage difference was an obstacle. (Russian trains are 1520mm gage, most US are 1435 mm)Yes, it really is a lot of fun to get a real locomotive out for a 'Sunday Drive'. And the grandkids really love to come visit. Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top
cjmaclean (603 posts)
Nov-26-01, 01:08 PM (EST) 2. "RE: POLL: Privately owned locomotives..." You were right, I'm from Germany, and indeed your post brought my memory up to speed about that TV report I was referring to. It was in fact about one of those conventions which took place in a famous RR museum in California - darn, I know that I know its name, but cannot recall it right now ...
In another report a few days later I learned that there are indeed privately-owned locomotives in Germany as well. Those that were shown in that second report were mostly small diesel switchers similar to the GE 44-Tonner - not even that large - , but I could imagine there might be a few people over here who own some bigger stuff, too. This may or may not have been one of those in that report...I was in fact also wondering what you would need to do in order to actually get to drive your private loco somewhere on the network. I had guessed you would most likely have to negotiate something with the RR company maintaining the network, but yeah, that could be difficult stuff to negotiate I am sure! Probably more so if you have a loco from a foreign country which may not be equipped with the same type safety systems (alerter etc.) used on the domestic network by default.Do you have any figure what I would have to figure for the price if I was theoretically considering to get an own locomotive?
And does it occur often that railroads are selling of their surplus or retired equipment? I have hardly ever heard about the Deutsche Bahn doing something like that. I do know they sold the prototypes of the V 160 line of diesel locos (a man named Michael, nickname "mickoo", is working on a descendant of them, the class 218...take a look at the loco design forum) to one or more private regional railroads many years ago...but apart from that, nope.Here are a few pictures of those locos I mentioned in my previous post...Class 41 2-8-2...ain't she beautiful???
Class E 04/104 electric...
Class E 18/118...a Box Cab if you like
FS (Italian state RR) class E 424...somebody called it a "tank on rails"...
FS class E 646...unusual with its Bo'Bo'Bo' chassis...
...and one that was not on the list...the first Pendolino, class ETR 450...you have to admit the Italians know something about design!
I guess these would be the more expensive examples...but one must be allowed to dream, no?
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cjmaclean (603 posts)
Nov-26-01, 01:20 PM (EST) 3. "RE: POLL: Privately owned locomotives..." With regard to you mentioning Russian locos, if it weren't for the gauge problem and the fact that none of them appear to exist anymore, how about this one...?Class AA-20 heavy freight engine...a single-frame (i.e. non-articulated) 4-14-4 (yes, seven powered axles!!!) mongo steamer...206 metric tons, while only 20 metr. tons axle load...I can imagine steamers are a pain to maintain, but assuming those problems could be overcome, that's what I'd love to have!
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ge44tonner (36 posts)
Nov-26-01, 02:10 PM (EST) 7. "RE: POLL: Acquire a Russian 4-14-4?" A Russian 4-14-4? I recall reading an article about this locomotive in 'TRAINS" magazine several years ago. As I recall, there was only one example constructed, about 1930. It was designed as a group project by University students at a Mechanical Engineering school, and constructed as a government project. It only made one trip, when it was soon discovered that the very long rigid wheelbase made it highly prone to derail on curves. I belive it was broken up for scrap pretty quickly.
If a private individual were to acquire such a thing, I wonder where you could possibly operate it. Build a perfectly straight track in the desert somewhere and run it back and forth?
Of course, in the US there was a group of 4-12-2 locomotives constructed as the Union Pacific 9000 class. One was donated to a historical group in California, who still have it on static display but have never attempted to operate it. Undoubtably, any large railroad who was approached with a proposal to host a restored 4-12-2 would decline on the grounds that the engine was likely to damage the track.
In MSTS, I don't really know if there are any limits on track curvature imposed by rigid wheelbase length. Maybe somebody with more modeling talents than me will be interested in constructing one. Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top
cjmaclean (603 posts)
Nov-26-01, 03:14 PM (EST) 10. "RE: POLL: Russian AA-20" Yep, I think that was the museum shown in the report. Don't they have a Cab-Forward on display?Well, I have looked into my book about "The World's Most Beautiful Locomotives" and read up about the AA-20. In 1931, a group of somewhat overambitious railroad engineers had first come forward with a study on a huge 2-14-4 freight engine, from which the final 4-14-4 arrangement would later emerge. The idea behind those many axles was to keep the axle load from exceeding 20 (hence the "20" in the class designation) metric tons so as to obviate the need for upgrading the trackage. Still, the seven powered axles would have provided this locomotive with superior tractive effort.
The drivers, by the way, were not connected with single-piece siderods. The first four sets of drivers were coupled, as were the last three; and one connecting rod coupled the fourth with the fifth axle. I guess the idea behind this was to improve the curve-running abilities; the first and seventh set of drivers was thus not fitted with flanges either. Also the loco's bogies could move laterally.
Surprisingly, this huge engine was designed for 44 mph (70 kph) top speed, and it boasted some 3,700 hp.
However, during its trials several flaws emerged. The loco was indeed prone to derailing, and also too long for any turntable of her time. No further AA-20s were ever built, and the prototype was scrapped in the 60s.
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ge44tonner (36 posts)
Nov-26-01, 02:25 PM (EST) 8. "RE: POLL: Buying a Privately owned locomotive..." LAST EDITED ON Nov-26-01 AT 02:33 PM (EST)>Do you have any figure what I would have to figure for the >price if I was theoretically considering to get an own locomotive?
>And does it occur often that railroads are selling of their surplus or retired equipment? At least here in the US, it is sometimes possible for an individual to buy used locomotives at pretty reasonable cost, about what a modest automobile would cost. For a GE 44-tonner in operating condition, I have paid about US$10,000, and once bought a group of three for US$16,000. If you can accept a locomotive in condition that will require a lot of restoration, and are willing to do the effort of transporting it, sometimes can be purchased for relatively little cost. I know somebody who bought a Whitcomb 35-ton diesel for US$300, which is roughly the salvage metal value. The engine is now in service at a local train museum.The large railroads here do sometimes sell off surplus locomotives. The Union Pacific has a web site which includes equipment bid lists, and I recently heard about a group of ex-Illinois Central locomotives surplused by new owner Canadian National. If you are interested in German locomotives, a few months ago I read a museum newsletter offering a 60cm gage Henschel 0-6-0T in non-operating condition. The price was not stated. I declined to inquire because I have no access to 60cm operating locations.If you recall a television report of a California train museum which hosted a collection of privately owned locomotives, I wonder if it was the 'Railfair' at the 'California Railroad Museum' in Sacramento. Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top
cjmaclean (603 posts)
Nov-27-01, 12:11 PM (EST) 17. "RE: POLL: Buying a Privately owned locomotive..." ge44tonner,
reading back on that Henschel 0-6-0T narrow-gauge loco, I was just wondering how difficult it might be for a private citizen to actually lay some trackage to run his stock on. That is, how many official hassles one might have to overcome to get the permission for such a project. One would certainly need to own a fair amount of real estate in order to build a decent "layout"...well, if you could sell it to the local officials as beneficial for tourism, you might have a better chance, eh?
Do you know if anybody actually ever tackled a project like this?
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ge44tonner (36 posts)
Nov-27-01, 02:46 PM (EST) 22. "RE: POLL: Buying a Privately owned locomotive..." Hello Again, D.M.
Indeed I do know of several examples of private ownership, and operation, of narrow gage equuipment. As you suggest, ownership of considerable real estate is necessary, and it seems to be a requirement to be in a thinly settled or rural area. Inside a city, the 'zoning' property use restrictions are an obstacle, there are restrictions on noise or smoke, and sometimes neighbors file lawsuits demanding to recompensed for alleged impairment of property values, or alleging safety problems such as boiler explosions or 'attractive nuisance' which cause unsupervised children to get into trouble.
Many of these obstacles are lessened in rural areas. At least here in Kansas, if an individual owns sufficient land in a rural area, there are few if any restrictions on constructing trackage. I know of an individual who operates about half a Km of 3-foot (914mm) gage with a 12-ton diesel. One obstacle which would still apply would involve steam operation. In the US, steam boilers are closely regulated and must pass periodic inspections.
Several years ago, a individual in my home town constructed 'from scratch' a 30-in (760mm) gage 2-4-2 steamer and operated a 1-km loop of track on his farm. He also put on an annual show of restored antique farm machinery, including steam tractors. This also ended up demonstrating one of the pitfalls. A coal-burning tractor emitted some cinders and started a prairie fire which spread to adjoining property used as a temporary automobile park. Many automobiles were destroyed. It would be prudent to arrange sufficient insurance coverage.

I should make distinction of several possible types of operation.
1). As above, sometimes a hobbyist with sufficient real estate (and available cash) simply lays some track and operates.
2). A narrow gage train may be operated as part of a tourist business; One example in the area is a 'game ranch' which transports visitors through the game reserve on board 60cm stock pulled by several Jung and Skoda steamers. A better known example is in neighboring Missouri, where visitors to the 'Silver Dollar City' theme park near the city of Branson are transported using several 60cm gage Henschel 0-4-0T. Other 60-cm operations are located at Cripple Creek CO (they have a Henschel 0-4-4-0T) and at the Zoo in Omaha NE (have a 0-6-2T, I believe it was built by Skoda. The zoo in Kansas City has a 3-foot (914mm) railroad with 4-4-0 steamers built new by 'Crown Metal Products'.
3). A group of individuals may band together as a historical preservation group. The group purchases appropriate real estate, arranges the regulatory permits, and constructs track. The 'Leatherstocking' chapter of NRHS operates in this way on Pennsylvania. The 'Midwest Threshers' in Iowa have several 60cm steamers, and I believe a group operates a 0-6-0T in Indiana. A group at Grand Island, NE operated a 3-foot gage 2-8-0 for several years, but is currently inactive pending repairs on the boiler.The Henschel 60cm 0-6-0T mentioned in my first post was being sold by an individual named G.D. Hunan in California. He fits into class 1) as above, with a hobby operation on a rural property. I believe he is retiring due to age. One option might be to purchase an 'amusement park' train. Here in my home town of Wichita, a Company named Chance Industries constructs 60-cm amusement park trains. Although some of the current product line are facsimilies of steam engines, all are powered by gasoline engines. I belive a basic Locomotive, two cars and a 200-m loop of track may be purchased for somewhere around US$40,000. Many years ago, Chance built steam 4-4-0s. Several still exist in the area and are operated by either individuals or museum groups, but that is another story.
You might also consider the 'Live Steam' approach, where miniature locomotives are constructed from Scratch and operated either by individuals or in clubs. I'm sure there are several groups active in Germany. Here in the US, Locomotives in 1/8 full size operating on 7.5 inch (190mm) track are common.Hope this is the kind of information you are looking for. Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top
cjmaclean (603 posts)
Nov-27-01, 03:53 PM (EST) 24. "RE: POLL: Buying a Privately owned locomotive..." *LOL* Oh well, I'm just a poor college student right now, but maybe after I have made doctor... Hmmm, let's see if such a project might be feasible around where I live.
I'm from a town about 10 miles from Frankfurt in central Germany on the edge of the Taunus mountains (well, not really "mountains", only 3,000 feet max height). That means a not really urban environment, but still population density is relatively high around a major city such as Frankfurt. Still there is quite a lot of open, albeit hilly land between the towns and cities around FRA. Much of it is farmland, though, and probably not for sale at this time - even though agriculture is certainly not a growing branch in this area.
The "official" railroad network is quite dense around Frankfurt, too. That makes sense, as the city is a major commercial center, has an international airport, a port on the river Main, and, of course, one of Germany's major railway stations.
Apart from the long-distance rail network there are lots of passenger transport lines branching out from Frankfurt through the countryside - we call it the "S-Bahn" - , and there's also some non-electrified privately owned trackage into the Taunus, operated by a small private public transport enterprise. Even the Frankfurt subway network is branching out beyond the city borders with several routes running above the ground to a number of towns between 10 and 15 miles outside the actual city.Based on that information, I guess one coulda) Try to get some of the open farmland between towns to build a "real world layout" on it, preferably in narrow-gauge. Building into the Taunus is probably not a good option, as this would greatly inflate construction costs.b) Try to negotiate something with the DB or that private transportation firm to get permission to run a standard-gauge private rail vehicle on the existing network under certain conditions.
I guess there are few areas in Germany where there's enough flat, open land that is a) for sale and b) vast enough to try and build a private railway "layout" (term deliberately borrowed from the modeling world) as previously addressed. The Frankfurt area is most likely less well suited for such an undertaking.Interesting where a simple poll can lead, isn't it?
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ge44tonner (36 posts)
Nov-27-01, 05:47 PM (EST) 25. "RE: POLL: Buying a Privately owned locomotive..." Hello again, D.M.
Interesting proposal to construct a 60cm tourist railroad near Frankfort. I speculate that real estate costs in Germany, compared to those in the US, will be an obstacle. Probably far beyond what a student could afford, perhaps beyond the reach of a Doctor. Of course, offseting the higher real estate costs would be the prospect of a much larger customer base. I'm sure that more people live within 50 Km of your proposed location, than live in the whole state of Kansas. I also imagine the scenery to be much more attractive. It is dead flat here, mostly treeless, and would be very easy to model routes in MSTS. One area rail line has a straightaway section 70 miles long (113 km).

If you are interested in the 'amusment park' trains, I found a link to the manufacturer.
http://www.rides.com/train_home.html
The '24 inch' track gage cited is equivalent to 60cm. Elsewhere on their web site, it claims that they have constructed more than 300 of them, delivered to worldwide locations including Germany. The company also manufactures a large variety of other amusment rides, such as carousels and roller coasters.
Yes, sometimes an interesting discussion can come out of a simple question.
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cjmaclean (603 posts)
Nov-27-01, 06:26 PM (EST) 26. "RE: POLL: Buying a Privately owned locomotive..." Yep, estate prices have soared to virtually orbital heights in my area. Some time ago I read a report that the "county" (it is somewhat different from what you call a county, but the principle holds) or "Landkreis" where I live is actually the richest in all of Germany. The Munich area was second, I think, the Starnberg area (also in Bavaria) third, and our neighbor Landkreis was fourth. And as I said, estate prices are, well, appropriate. My father is working for a city administration near here, and a few days ago he told me how he had run negotiations with an enterprise that wanted to buy estate on the grounds of that city. The price per square meter (roughly nine square feet) was far beyond 1,000 marks (about $ 460), but that firm paid the requested price without even "negotiating" in the sense of the word.
Well, the landscape is indeed quite nice here, so if somebody wanted to tackle such a tourist railroad project he/she/they would have a very fitting background for sure.Oh well, need to go to bed now...
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henry3 (353 posts)
Nov-26-01, 01:30 PM (EST) 4. "RE: POLL: What If You Could Have..." Personally, I'd like to get a hold of that last ex-Erie Lackawanna E-8 that CSX has (had?) and restore it to its EL livery. Then if Metro North could be pursuaded to part with one of the former "Phoebe Snow" tavern-lounge cars....Unfortunately, the lottery has not cooperated thus far. Henry Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top
Euston (628 posts)
Nov-26-01, 01:33 PM (EST) 5. "RE: POLL: What If You Could Have..." A Eurostar (or Acela) with 4 Orient Express Cars -> FAST!!!
http://clix.to/trainsim Lanserat East RR - 6% complete see images on my website. Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top
BigDave (66 posts)
Nov-26-01, 02:03 PM (EST) 6. "RE: POLL: What If You Could Have..." *hmmmmmmm*Nothing fancy, maybe a 'Jub' or a P2 2-8-2.BigDave Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top
Kuchinator (379 posts)
Nov-26-01, 02:47 PM (EST) 9. "RE: POLL: What If You Could Have..." I would want.....
Acela
SD90
GG-1
TGV
J4 Hudson Steam Loco Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top
rgarber (847 posts)
Nov-26-01, 07:29 PM (EST) 11. "RE: POLL: What If You Could Have..." Okay, maybe she's not a locomotive, but isn't she a beauty!!! USS North Carolina at Wilmington, NCuhhh.. what was the question again?? Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top
henry3 (353 posts)
Nov-27-01, 11:56 AM (EST) 16. "RE: POLL: What If You Could Have..." Ah, the "Showboat" herself!I can't remember the exact figure, but I think that you'd have the necessary horsepower to get a unit train up Marias Pass in the sim! Of course, now you have the tonnage of roughly *four* unit trains....Henry Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top
Boweavel (1373 posts)
Nov-27-01, 12:33 PM (EST) 18. "RE: POLL: What If You Could Have..." LAST EDITED ON Nov-27-01 AT 12:35 PM (EST)My question is where did you find that picture Rich ? She's a beauty... I'll definatley jump on as crew if you ever get her in your drive\port As far as boats go.. Reckon I'll retire (hahaha loooooong time away) on one of these babies as they build em just down the road.. http://www.austal.com/
And as for Fav train in my driveway.. Havta pick a DD40
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rgarber (847 posts)
Nov-27-01, 03:05 PM (EST) 23. "RE: POLL: What If You Could Have..." Alright! The BoOOO is back! Ya didn't check your last thread where I showed my route I practically named after ya did ya? Back in the route forum.. the one where you was mourning the loss of your route I think. *tips hat in respect*The US North Carolina is moored about four hours away from me. The state of North Carolina purchased her some years back and they keep her up. The picture shown I believe was taken in 1997. If you do a search on North Carolina, several sites will show up. I found that picture and posted it. The USS North Carolina has a pretty nice history to read up on too. She is the flagship of the North Carolina class battleships which preceeds the IOWA class battleship. To me they look pretty much the same except for the 5" side batteries a deck down from the IOWA's.I'll take your boat any day too, but it's gotta come with the pretty girls too. Rich Garber Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top
plainsman (381 posts)
Nov-26-01, 08:28 PM (EST) 12. "RE: POLL: What If You Could Have..." A B40-8W as long as I don't have to pay for the fuel, and upkeep, and storage, and....
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AM_ROAD (15 posts)
Nov-26-01, 10:19 PM (EST) 13. "RE: POLL: What If You Could Have..."
First a F-7, with my own color scheme
><IMG SRC="http://198.30.209.3/amtrak/amtF/amt107.jpg";a gg-1 with Pen paint.><IMG SRC="http://198.30.209.3/amtrak/amtGG1/prr4903.jpg";and a well everyone knows this one.><IMG SRC="http://gallery.yimg.com/c/256wm/10113127.jpg";
Thats only 3 of them for each type. There you go
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cjmaclean (603 posts)
Nov-27-01, 03:35 AM (EST) 14. "RE: POLL: What If You Could Have..." If only one of those were still around...hmmmmmmm... Midland Railway Johnson 4-2-2D.M. Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top
downside (265 posts)
Nov-27-01, 08:13 AM (EST) 15. "RE: POLL: What If You Could Have..." My wish list comprisesBR Standard Class 9F 2-10-0 No. 92220 Evening StarA GarrattAnything from the Ravenglass & Eskdale fleetDoctor Syn and Green Goddess from the Romney Hythe & Dymchurch Railway's fleetBill
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rdfox (75 posts)
Nov-27-01, 01:21 PM (EST) 19. "RE: POLL: What If You Could Have..." Depends... if money was no object, I'd say Pere Marquette 1225 (a 2-8-4 that's a virtual twin to the famous Nickel Plate Berks), a Big Boy or Allegheny, and/or an E9. If I had to worry about the Care and Feeding costs, I'd look into, say, a GP9R (Grand Trunk Western-rebuilt GP9 with a chopped hood and converted to 645 power, but the same horsepower rating as before rebuilding), a GP15-1, or an SW1200--something low-powered and low-expense.RDF
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cjmaclean (603 posts)
Nov-27-01, 01:41 PM (EST) 20. "RE: POLL: What If You Could Have..." Well, if I was going to get a loco for me and money WERE an issue, I would settle for a nice DB class 212 or 290 through 297 (1,100 to 1,360 hp B'B' diesel-hydraulic road switchers)...Class 212...
and a class 295...out of the 290 line; don't know if these are directly related to the 212, though they look similar.
D.M.
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easagrippa (134 posts)
Nov-27-01, 02:05 PM (EST) 21. "RE: POLL: What If You Could Have..." That is a simple question.
D&RGW ALCO PA 1's.
PRR Streamlined K4.
LNER A4, The Mallard, double headed w/the K4.
A Rio Grande Challenger.
An SD90Mac in Golden Beaver.
A GG1.
Rio Grande Krausse-Maffet's.
Rio Grande F units in A-B-B-B-A formation.
SD80Mac in Conrail white smiley face paint scheme. Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top
gordonfan (50 posts)
Dec-16-01, 08:37 PM (EST) 27. "RE: POLL: What If You Could Have..." I'd like a

NJ Transit ALP-46 Electric

NJ Transit ALP-44

Acela Express My favorite Train of course

Acela HHP-8


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cjmaclean (603 posts)
Dec-17-01, 02:51 AM (EST) 28. "RE: POLL: What If You Could Have..." Erm...interesting...that ALP-46 looks VERY similar to our German class 101, don't you think (see pic below)? Do you know if Adtranz happens to be involved with the ALP?
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gordonfan (50 posts)
Dec-17-01, 04:31 PM (EST) 29. "RE: POLL: What If You Could Have..." The ALP-46 is a modified version of the German Class 101 and is made by ADTRANZ. The ALP-46 is made for NJ Transit an American Railway.Visit www.hobokenterminal.com for mor info.The ALP-44 is a modified version of the AEM-7 by EMD. Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top

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