Chat room abbreviations and shortcuts don't belong here

For those of you who frequent chat rooms and are used to using abbreviations and other shortcuts to save time and typing, that practice is not appropriate here in the forums. Please use full, correctly spelled words and punction so that others can understand what you are saying.Many of us never use chat rooms and may not be familiar with the slang used there.Cal Rasmussen
Beaverton, OR
(My email is in my profile)Columbia Gorge Route (Phase 1 UP side 95%, BNSF side 90%)

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I TOTALLY AGREE! Thus crap is getting annoying.

Looks Like a Pony RUNS LIKE A STALLION

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LAST EDITED ON Sep-30-03 AT 07:34 PM (EDT)

I know! I use Instant Messanger and everything, but please...Popping in the forums and saying, "Hay! i just dl's ssoema aWeSoMe loco and it is sooo tight! rotf! but i have a question: i here that ur spposezd 2 do s/m, but i dont no what 2 do! + im 2 stpd 2 even dl UR rEaDmE.txt, can NE1 help me??? l8r"Aaaagggh even when I type on Instant Messanger, I type and use correct grammer, and try to talk as if I were writing something for English, occasionally using words like, "I dunno", or "ya gotta" or "Hey! Get that mullett off my car!" Please, all newbies, type like you were being graded, it helps EVERYONE out.-You can never have too much inner beauty. Or socks.
-Matt, 3:25am-Crime: It's my anti drug -Creating Pac-Man comics for the humorless people out there

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Excellent points, but I do think that things like "LOL" or "LMAO" etc should be ok.And everyone should know what d/l means.
But even I have a hard time with the people who spell like this:"Hay Waz^? How's Skewl?" And it looks riduculous..and it makes you want to do the abbreviations at school in the middle of an English test..which is not good! Always practice good grammer! Its taught for a reason!

Jay
http://www.freewebs.com/peterbiltsrule

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LAST EDITED ON Sep-30-03 AT 09:07 PM (EDT)

I agree CALRbut, is it that hard to say stuff like LMAO, TTYL, LOL.I try not to use these lots, but it is easier than to wright out talk to you later or w/e well lata
ChrisChris Wilson
MP 63 CP's Heron Bay Sub
Marathon, OntarioEMAIL: chris9102@shaw.ca

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LAST EDITED ON Sep-30-03 AT 09:33 PM (EDT)

I don't know what any of this slang means.

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LAST EDITED ON Oct-03-03 AT 00:15 AM (EDT)

My Two Cents:
The only problem with using the chat-room abbreviations is, are you sure your reader knows what you intended?A long,long time ago, in a life far,far away, LOL was Little Old Lady, (NOT from Pasadena!) a derogatory reference among my peers to someone's driving ability.
Then it became Lots Of Luck! (in yet another life)
Now, of course, it's Laughing Out Loud.
ADDED: Think I'm kidding? Go to http://www.ucc.ie/cgi-bin/uncgi/acronym and watch what happens when you enter LOLNO, I'm not channelling, but I've been around for more than a few years, and, tongue-in-cheek, I consider various phases of my life as different lives, because they've been so radically different from one another. I have drifted from the original thread line here, but it gives you an idea of what someone can be up against.In my opinion, any sort of 'shorthand' in a typed message is laziness, not time-saving. The only exceptions to this are '10 Codes,'when used by Law Enforcement to convey a lot of information is a short time, and the 'Q Codes' used by telegraphers to save time in morse code transmissions. Both have long-since been standardized, so there is no doubt as to meaning or intent.(The foregoing is the opinion of the author, and should not be construed to be the position of management)

JOhn
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Railfan means anything on rails! Trains Trolleys Rollercoasters - you name it.

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>>>punction<<<I think you meant punctuation. I agree, I don't remember the last time I've ROTFLMAO.Bob

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i speak what i know is best for the wolrd and whats best is shortcuts for typing thank you

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Say what now? Please, people, this is EXACTLY why we really should have some rules on punctuation... Recently, I've been unable to fully understand 1/4 of all the posts that I read here.Come on, people, please take the time to punctuate your sentences. It makes everything so much easier, and makes you look MUCH less of an a**.-You can never have too much inner beauty. Or socks.
-Matt, 3:25am-Crime: It's my anti drug -Creating Pac-Man comics for the humorless people out there

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>>>You can never have too much inner beauty. Or socks<<<No beauty here, but, my daughter got me 12 pairs of socks for my birthday.

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-You can never have too much inner beauty. Or socks.
-Matt, 3:25am-Crime: It's my anti drug -Creating Pac-Man comics for the humorless people out there

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I'll bet your daughter's a beauty.

JOhn
Oldrailfan
Railfan means anything on rails! Trains Trolleys Rollercoasters - you name it.

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>Say what now?
>
>Please, people, this is EXACTLY why we really
>should have some rules on punctuation... I don't really see the need for rules. Who is going to enforce them? Will posts be delayed for "style checking"? It just doen't make a lot of sense to me.>Recently,
>I've been unable to fully understand 1/4 of all the posts
>that I read here. Me too, although I don't think the proportion is quite that high.The way I see it, this forum is a means of communication. People who do not communicate well will not get responded to. Or perhaps more correct would be to say that people who communicate in a limited manner will get limited response. Seems very self correcting to me. People will either manage to figure out how to communicate in this enviornment or they will be ignored. We can already see from this thread that several people want various exceptions to whatever "rule" might be adopted.>Come on, people, please take the time to punctuate your
>sentences. It makes everything so much easier, and makes you
>look MUCH less of an a**. Absolutely, but we don't need rules and enforcement. People have got the right to look like an a** if that is what they want to do.>-You can never have too much inner beauty. Or socks.
>-Matt, 3:25am Never miss a chance to shower. -- Old diesel boat mantraBrad Meyer

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Actually, there ARE rules for punctuation; the same can be said for spelling and grammar. Apparently, English Teachers and Professors don't bother to teach them anymore, (Typing Teachers don't either) and anyone that uses them is denigrated.
Think about this: If you don't know the forementioned rules, that is ignorance and can be forgiven. If you have been taught them and 'just don't bother' to use them anymore, that is sloth and unforgivable.

JOhn
Oldrailfan
Railfan means anything on rails! Trains Trolleys Rollercoasters - you name it.

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LAST EDITED ON Oct-03-03 AT 00:23 AM (EDT)

Addendum:
Please don't misunderstand - I'm not going to flame someone, or worse yet, ignore them, for poor Grammar, etc., unless the problem is that I just plain can't understand what they are trying to say.
And no, I'm not going to be a Word Nazi, the problem isn't mine. Just don't expect ME to use shortcuts; it ain't that hard to type and proofread.

JOhn
Oldrailfan
Railfan means anything on rails! Trains Trolleys Rollercoasters - you name it.

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>I agree, I don't remember the last time I've ROTFLMAO. Well, you just did it!

--You are reading my signature now, don't waste your time reading it!--
Eh, where did my signature go?
Oh, here it is, the one you are reading right now? Can't you see it? I know I know, it is probably too bright to see it.
Anyway, I told you not waste time reading my signature! You have just wasted 10 seconds!

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L337speak I can understand limiting or even outright banning. I hope you aren't referring to abreviations in common usage like LOL, IMHO, IIRC, and the like. Bear in mind that some of us actually do have lives and the few seconds (or minutes) saved in using them, being a hunt & peck typist myself, when we do take the time to post something are important in allowing us to get back to that life. And so it goes for reading other's posts too.Not that I don't enjoy my visits here but I don't want to make a career of it either.I would hope that before things go too far with the appointment of Spelling, Grammer, Syntax, and Punctuation Nazis that we can remember a very simple and effective long standing solution to any such perceived socially intolerable insults to one's delicate sensibilities. If you don't like it don't read it. It's always worked in the past.Think of it like this. If the author thought it was important he'd write it in plain properly structured english. If it can't be read and understood it can safely be ignored.IMHO

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>
> If it can't be read and understood it can safely be ignored.
>would like to add my intereption of this statement, "If it can't be read and understood it absolutely will be ignored."this also serves as my 'muntley' post to keep from being removed from the list

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Agreed
Common shortcuts(IIRC,LMAO etc) are helpful to us "search and destroy" typists out here but that said "elite speak or IM speak has no place here, particularly if said poster is actually trying to get one of us to respond to a question.Gary S

"Some say this country's just out for a fight. After 9/11 man I'd have to say thats right"
"Have You Forgotten"
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I have to play devil's advocate here.I'm not sure that this thread is appropriate.I agree that while it's shocking to see the state of some people's literacy, (I'm not talking about those to whom english is a second language) the only person stating what is or isn't appropriate on these fora, should be Nels as forum owner. Not to mention that a proper spelling and punctuation edict on forum posts is pointless.If you can't understand a post, don't answer. It's that simple.The offenders will learn quickly that if they want answers, they must post a legible composition.
-Jeff

Union Pacific is my drug.

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If we do not reply to these post and I think they will get the message.

Kinnie

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>...on these fora, should be Nels as... You mean there's someone else that knows the proper plural for forum? I can now die in peace!

JOhn
Oldrailfan
Railfan means anything on rails! Trains Trolleys Rollercoasters - you name it.

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>>...on these fora, should be Nels as...
>
>You mean there's someone else that knows the proper plural
>for forum? I can now die in peace! -Jeff

Union Pacific is my drug.

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>For those of you who frequent chat rooms and are used to
>using abbreviations and other shortcuts to save time and
>typing, that practice is >face="arial"]not appropriate here in the forums.
>Please use full, correctly spelled words and punction so
>that others can understand what you are saying.
>
>Many of us never use chat rooms and may not be familiar with
>the slang used there.
>
>Cal Rasmussen
>Beaverton, OR
>(My email is in my profile)
>
>Columbia Gorge Route (Phase 1 UP side 95%, BNSF side 90%) I agree 100%. Instant messaging accronyms and abbreviations do not belong here. McDonalds taught Americans to accept mediocre or poor quality as Wonderful. Having thrived on Big Macs in college, Bill Gates gave us the mediocre, bug filled Windows operating system and people have accepted it as Wonderful. Now instant messaging is adding one more facet of laziness to the world, teaching everyone that using abbreviations for everything is OK. LOL is not in the English dictionary. LMAOROF is not there either. LOL is really a redundant accronym. Laughing can usually be heard, except by the deaf. Out loud refers to something that can be heard. So LOL is an example of a stupid accronym, since laughing, unless you are mute, is always out loud.. Let's eliminate the LOL and replace it with L... Less typing... You do not have to fumble for those extra character and Y C G O T T N L A F Y M F.... For the non-instant messanger folks, here is a translation of the above. You can go on to the next letter and finish you message faster.... Makes sense to me. Why bother with typing a word at all. Use only the first letter for everything and you can send more messages than ever.
Sorry for the rant everyone, but Cal pushed a button on a subject that I have been silently fuming about for a long time... Bill

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There are numerous replies on here, and a lot have spelling and grammatical errors. While I expect some are just typos, how do you expect someone to take these posts seriously, when they contain errors which you are complaining about?Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.David

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My first 'negative post' since being here from the beginning of Train-Sim and Train Simulator .. imho (in my humble opinion) this is "much to do about nothing" to paraphrase the adage. As was so eloquently (and otherwise) stated above in many different ways, the problem is self-pruning. Let it run its course.RobertR .. ADF-M&RM at http://www.adfrr.com

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>Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.
>
>David (Tongue thoroughly planted in cheek) David didn't say that, Jesus did!

JOhn
Oldrailfan
Railfan means anything on rails! Trains Trolleys Rollercoasters - you name it.

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David
At least in my case I'm not a grammer/spelling zealot(hey,we all get fumble fingered from time to time)my problem is with the posts that are so garbled you need to read them five or six times just to understand what the poster is asking.Gary S

"Some say this country's just out for a fight. After 9/11 man I'd have to say thats right"
"Have You Forgotten"
Darryl Worley

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http://www.ucc.ie/cgi-bin/uncgi/acronymhttp://www.cse.ucsc.edu/~shankari/abbreviations.htmlhttp://toolbar.google.com/

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LAST EDITED ON Oct-03-03 AT 08:42 AM (EDT)

calr...who are you to decide what gets used and what doesn't get used on these forums...Generally I don't use "chat abbreviations" but sometimes I let 'em slip. Who cares?So it seems you like hypocrisy as well...http://www.train-sim.com/dcforum/DCForumID1/6608.html#2

I wanna highball it through Woodstock, Ont. on none other than...THE TURBOTRAIN!!!

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>calr...who are you to decide what gets used and what doesn't
>get used on these forums...Generally I don't use "chat
>abbreviations" but sometimes I let 'em slip. Who cares?
>
>So it seems you like hypocrisy as well...
>
>http://www.train-sim.com/dcforum/DCForumID1/6608.html#2 Uh-oh...Someone got off their medication...Ahem. Anyway, Do you like reading jibberish here? I mean, come on!

Goodbye Vet...

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Gentlemen and I use the term loosely, I think it is time to wrap this up. I had no idea this discussion would go this far.First off, I have no objection to acronyms like LOL, ROTL, LMAO, etc. I finally found a website that has definitions for the ones I don't know.My objection is things like "no" for "know" or "2" for "to or too" and eliminating about half the letters in a word. If I can't read and understand a post, it frustrates the hell out of me (that'll get censored!) I would just like to see whole words used, punctuation, and capitalization so that I can understand what some of these "kids" are saying.That's all I have to say about that. In reading the other posts in this thread, it appears I'm not alone.Cal Rasmussen
Beaverton, OR
(My email is in my profile)Columbia Gorge Route (Phase 1 UP side 95%, BNSF side 90%)

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