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Boweavel (1235 posts)
Nov-12-01, 10:01 AM (EST) "New York Suffers again... :{" http://www.sky.com/skynews/storytemplate/storytoppic/0,,30000-1035003,00.html Another tragedy for the folk of New York.. In particular the city of Queens.... I think Jim "sniper" ward lives down there...Sure hope im wrong..... Lets hope its not another attack... Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top
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Subject Author Message Date ID RE: New York Suffers again... :{ sniper297 Nov-12-01 1 RE: New York Suffers again... :{ evildarkcow Nov-12-01 2 RE: New York Suffers again... :{ rgarber Nov-13-01 3 RE: New York Suffers again... :{ evildarkcow Nov-13-01 4 RE: New York Suffers again... :{ QueenHeartles Nov-13-01 5 RE: New York Suffers again... :{ evildarkcow Nov-13-01 6 RE: New York Suffers again... :{ QueenHeartles Nov-13-01 7 RE: New York Suffers again... :{ evildarkcow Nov-13-01 8 RE: New York Suffers again... :{ ronik24 Nov-13-01 9 RE: New York Suffers again... :{ Gixxer86g Nov-13-01 10 RE: New York Suffers again... :{ Splatter Nov-13-01 13 RE: New York Suffers again... :{ evildarkcow Nov-13-01 15 RE: New York Suffers again... :{ plainsman Nov-13-01 25 RE: New York Suffers again... :{ andrewpickell Nov-13-01 17 RE: New York Suffers again... :{ Splatter Nov-13-01 24 RE: New York Suffers again... :{ ronik24 Nov-13-01 19 RE: New York Suffers again... :{ evildarkcow Nov-13-01 16 RE: New York Suffers again... :{ ENTrainman Nov-14-01 31 RE: New York Suffers again... :{ evildarkcow Nov-14-01 33 RE: New York Suffers again... :{ BigDave Nov-14-01 32 RE: New York Suffers again... :{ Beany Nov-13-01 11 RE: New York Suffers again... :{ SHEPLEY1935 Nov-13-01 21 RE: New York Suffers again... :{ BigDave Nov-16-01 40 RE: New York Suffers again... :{ rgarber Nov-13-01 12 RE: New York Suffers again... :{ evildarkcow Nov-13-01 14 RE: New York Suffers again... :{ QueenHeartles Nov-13-01 18 RE: New York Suffers again... :{ ronik24 Nov-13-01 20 RE: New York Suffers again... :{ rgarber Nov-13-01 22 RE: New York Suffers again... :{ evildarkcow Nov-13-01 27 RE: New York Suffers again... :{ SHEPLEY1935 Nov-13-01 23 RE: New York Suffers again... :{ rsf Nov-13-01 26 RE: New York Suffers again... :{ Gixxer86g Nov-13-01 28 RE: New York Suffers again... :{ sniper297 Nov-13-01 29 RE: New York Suffers again... :{ evildarkcow Nov-13-01 30 RE: New York Suffers again... :{ angus987 Nov-14-01 34 RE: New York Suffers again... :{ Boweavel Nov-14-01 35 RE: New York Suffers again... :{ henry3 Nov-14-01 36 RE: New York Suffers again... :{ Boweavel Nov-14-01 37 RE: New York Suffers again... :{ henry3 Nov-14-01 38 RE: New York Suffers again... :{ Boweavel Nov-16-01 41 RE: New York Suffers again... :{ Boweavel Nov-16-01 39

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sniper297 (854 posts)
Nov-12-01, 11:16 AM (EST) 1. "RE: New York Suffers again... :{" Nope, I'm in Chicago,Illinois, about 800 miles or so from New York City. There's a certain amount of rivalry between the two cities, and we kid around insulting each other all the time. Everybody is aware that it's not serious tho, and after September 11th about a hundred Chicago cops and firefighters took their vacation time to go to New York and help out. I think I can speak for most Chicagoans when I say they have our heartfelt sympathies, regardless of whether it's another terrorist act or just the usual greedy corporate skimping on maintenance to maximize profits. We had one like that at O'hare Field about 20 years ago, a DC-10 had an engine fall off on takeoff causing the plane to roll upside-down, turned out to be a maintenance shortcut.
If it does turn out to be another attack, I think it's high time we changed "Operation Enduring Freedom" to "Operation No More Mister Nice Guy". We know approximately where this jerkoff is, let's field test the neutron bomb. Civilian casualties? Collateral damage? Better them than us, we're in a fight to the finish here. In honor of Veteran's Day, let's take the gloves off and do what we're capable of. They accuse us of being a bunch of swaggering bullies anyway, let's make them happy and prove them right.Jim Ward
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evildarkcow (131 posts)
Nov-12-01, 11:46 PM (EST) 2. "RE: New York Suffers again... :{" >the neutron bomb. Civilian casualties?
>Collateral damage? Better them than
>us, we're in a fight
>to the finish here. In That would make you no better then them, a lot of those people are poor and can't leave the damn country in the first place and a lot of those people do not get to pick their leaders and everything. Just like in the TwinTowers to a lot of those people wont be able to run away when you bomb them and kill their familys because of their forced on leaders.You have no care for life if you do not care one little bit about the civilians. They do not get to pick their leaders, they can not just move away either because they are so poor. I guess it is not like you would understand you are probably pretty high on the American food chain. Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top
rgarber (535 posts)
Nov-13-01, 00:40 AM (EST) 3. "RE: New York Suffers again... :{" Well... you seem to give a higher regard to the poor than those with wealth. So I suppose to you the value of life is determined by what one has or doesn't have. I think that's a poor outlook on life. With that said, maybe you haven't heard, but the USA consideres itself at war. You'll note that the poster used the word in the context of collateral damage to the civilians. He didn't say target the civilians. Whether a civilian in a country is innocent or not, if he/she is in the way, it's unfortunate. It happens in war. Just like a bunch of folks didn't know they was in the way of some airplanes on 9/11, it happens. Wars begin with the population many times unaware of or even in opposition to the war. Doesn't stop it from happening. The sneak attackers on 9/11 planned their attack from Afghanistan and use Afghanistan as a base of operations. The Taliban hides their forces in Afghanistan civilian areas. So what do you propose the US to do? Call it quits? Give up because innocents may get hurt? Wait for another airplane to get blown out of the sky over NYC? Let me make this suggestion to you. Since we know the baddies in this case are using the internet, maybe you could send a message to them and say, 'please stop that... innocent lives are in danger because...' and list your reasons. See if they comply and who knows? Innocent lives will be saved because then our US planes will drop their ordenance on the real bad guys, and not innocents. We'll wait and here back from you on this. Thank you.Rich Garber Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top
evildarkcow (131 posts)
Nov-13-01, 01:20 AM (EST) 4. "RE: New York Suffers again... :{" It doesn't mater what one person has or doesn't have it maters who they are and crap I was just pointing out they were poor and couldn't move away from places like that they are stuck there. everything in this damn world now days cost money you know? I wouldn't be shocked if they started trying to make us pay for every breath of air we take.USA is at a war with a country that has a lot of problems of its own, a country that could hardly defend itself from Americas weapons of war. Yet it still seems ok to go over and carpet bomb the whole damn country? didn't you notice people wanting to do that? sure civilans will get hurt, but people are wanting to go over there and just kill everyone, is that right? tell me? Blowing Afghanistan off the face of the earth wont stop terrorist acts, infact it will piss more people off and more terrorist acts will happen.Don't be stupid, we can't just email the other side saying hey we only want to kill you so stand aside so we can bomb the hell out of you.There are US Army forces in civilan areas. the Taliban, they aren't hiding they just happen to be there, they wont leave either they have to keep control of that city, if they just up and walked away to a place where civilans weren't well then anti-taliban could take over the city couldn't they? they would probably kill civilans anyway for reasons. And what? is everyone going to complain every damn time they try to attack back again? the usa is bombing them they will try to attack back in any way they can, you expect them to just sit there and not fight back? they made it clear when they crashed those planes that this will not be a war that would only take place on their land.Have fun killing half the damn world trying to kill all Terrorist, but don't complain when they fight back and kill someone you love. You helped picked the government that sent the warplanes that killed their loved ones. That sucks what happend to the TwinTowers but all you Americans can think about now is just killing everyone in Afghanistan, maybe all do not think that way but there is a good chunk of people that do. I thought this was suppose to be a good country? full of nice hard working people? People that cared about others and life. Yet ALOT of Americans only seem to care about money? and don't care about life or whos lifes they may destory on their way to make that money, they act like they are the best and anyone that trys defending themselfs from them are the bad guys.Money doesn't have anything to do with the war, but that is one of the flaws in many Americans. People have tried selling me a whole lot of crap sense what happend, they only cared about getting rich off of something so bad that happend it makes me sick to be an American. You are only breading hate by going over there and killing civilans. There is no easy way to solve the problem, but killing so many with the hopes to hit 1-2 of their forces isn't right. the USA doesn't even seem to want to take the time to find out what was wrong in the first place and to fix it so this doesn't happen again.
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QueenHeartles (3 posts)
Nov-13-01, 03:45 AM (EST) 5. "RE: New York Suffers again... :{" I've been reading these posts vicariously over LngHairedWizard's shoulder for a while now, not really interested, but since he loves his train simulator, I try to support him in this endevor. BUT when I read things like the postings by evildeadcow, it really makes me wonder exactly what malarkie people are being fed around the world. I don't know where he's from, but we know he's not American. I wonder if he realizes that the AMERICANS have fought all over the world for EVERYONES freedom.Do I have to remind him of World War I and World War II, where the sons and daughters of AMERICA put their lives on the line - fought and DIED - to keep Europe and Asia free? Do I have to say anything about the liberation of the Death Camps set up by the Germans? Need I also remind you of the billions upon billions of dollars that was GIVEN by AMERICA to rebuild Europe and Japan? Undoubtedly, Mr. Evildeadcow does not read or completely understand history. If it wasn't for AMERICA being vigilant against any forms of tyrany then all of Europe would be speaking German and half of East Asia would be speaking Japanese.I'm sorry that Mr. Evildeadcow is unappreciative of what AMERICA has done for this planet that we are in. But remember, ANY government is not perfect, because it is run by people. As for the almost 6000 innocents that were murdered in New York, Washington D.C. and Pennsylvania - it is a horrific tragedy that has befallen a great nation. We shall overcome. Mr. Evildeadcow, how would you feel if a family member was a victim of these spineless cowards who can not look their enemy in the eye? Would you feel hatred? Would you feel compassion? Would you say, "Hey, my loved one is dead. But I understand where you're coming from and your point is well taken?" I can almost bet you'd be the first in line to take a pot shot at Osama BinLaden and the Al Queda (or anything that looked like they could be them). The AMERICANS gave them plenty of warning. It's not like Afganistan is the size of Alaska. Those who didn't wish to be there when everything started, got the hell out. I'm sure you've seen the news footage of the millions of refuges crossing the boarders to avoid the conflict. It's not like it wasn't covered by the news, or the fact that the TALIBAN is stealing the humanitarian aid that we are providing those who do not wish to be in conflict with us? Do you see the TALIBAN being concerned about "innocents?" Or is it just my imagination that they are indoctronating children barely in their teens to shoot, maim and kill? Do you see the oppression that the TALIBAN has placed on women? Not allowing the the freedom to work, or to even walk alone on the street to provide for their families? How about women being publicly STONED for accidently lifting a skirt to step over a curb and showing a bit of the skin on their leg? How you would like YOUR goverment to place such restrictions on your MOTHER or on any female member of your family?The AMERICAN goverment knows that there are other things that they have overlooked in the past so that the world could be at relative peace. AMERICA is trying to correct those injustices as we speak. Did NOT President Bush ask the Prime Minister of Isreal to remove troops from the occupied areas? Is AMERICA not working for PEACE for all nations to be free of terrorist and their ilk? In closing, I honestly think that Mr. Evildeadcow shoud rethink his position. As history serves me correct, wasn't just that sort of thinking responsible for Hitler's almost complete decimation of Europe? Complacency has no place when it comes to terrorism.Thank you for letting me rant
QueenHeartlesP.S. The "misstatment" of evildarkcow's name is intentional. Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top
evildarkcow (131 posts)
Nov-13-01, 04:48 AM (EST) 6. "RE: New York Suffers again... :{" I am an American leaving in Colorado I've lived here all my damn life, wow huh? tell you what, I could walk down the street to and they wouldn't be pointing and saying I'm not an American because I look like an American to.See their government is forced onto them so alot of the people still stuck there not only getting treated like crap from their own government but are getting bombed on from the usaPeople left yeah but not everyone could. I do understand history and I know of the history, infact all the time I watch documentarys about WW2 everytime I can and read books and such, I am greatfull for those that laid down their life so mine could be better.Yet look at things now? I don't feel free, neither does a lot of my family, everyday I am forced to pretend I am someone I am not to all these crap head people. I do not force my ways onto others and I do not rant like this to a lot of people unless it really bothers me when they say something. I have a friend that lost a loved one in the newyork thing, they want the people that did it to be taken out to, but they don't want America carpet bombing Afghanistan like so many want. Sorry I wouldn't want to go over and personly kill people if my family was killed in those towers, what would it solve? I would be a hartless little nasty killer b*tch if I did and people over there would want to come kill me and whoever is left standing of my family. The killing would just go on tell we were all dead.Times change, the GREAT doesn't always stay the great. You want to call me EvilDeadCow well fine then, come kill me, I have provided enough info out there that you shouldn't have any problem at all tracking me down, while you are at it why don't you go fing my dead sisters bones and piss on them, hey I could probably help you find a nice place to ditch my body to, I'll even give you the knife to kill me with. Hey guess what? BinLaden or the Taliban isn't trying to take over the world like Hitler was. They aren't working that hard for peace are they? Hey I look around and I am not seeing peace here in America, is it that they are just to busy working on peace everwhere else and not giving a crap about their own people? sorry it is the American Food Chain I forgot my class of people doesn't mater so we get walked on and crapped on by a lot of people. it isn't just my type of view there are some great people that get crapped on like this and guess what? they try doing some nasty stuff or killing themselfs.Of course we want peace in other countrys, but I am not seeing much peace, I see alot of people in other countrys pissed off at America. Infact I've talked to other people in other countrys that hated me when they found out I was an American.I knew a really great writer, very good story teller, peacefull person, didn't act up and treated others good, that person got treated and hassled a little to bad by these normal American people and so she tried killing herself and pretty much gave up on writing and those sorts of things. This person wasn't like me, meaning that they were a good person, they didn't say stupid things that made everyone hate them. Maybe even you would have liked this person if you knew the old them, yet because of the way people on our part of the American Food Chain get treated this person gave up on this stuff and become that person you would dislike and hate. maybe you thought I was screwed up and stupid? you haven't heard nothing tell you've heard some of the things she has said about this country. Oh? Guns put into the hands of young and preteens? teaching them how to fire those guns to? I've seen that, I've had guns pulled on me by preteens.... little Americans kids that get tossed out on the street and only know hate and pain.It takes alot of guts to steal a plane and crash it into a building, The Americans aren't stealing their bombs from other countrys then riding them down tell they explode Killing the person that was riding it down to the end.You want to do something good for your country, then go ahead, kill me, kill my family to. Maybe you will feel better then. there will be some more food to go around to others some more living space some more jobs. whatever! In closing, The mind of an insane person is an odd one, you can not always point the finger at them and call them a bad person when they kill someone or do something stupid or bad, sometimes there is so much more to it all then just that, you wont be able to pull out some book to find out what is going on, it just does not work that way. Sometimes it is better to try to learn and understand what is wrong and what is going on with them rather then just pushing them down and locking them away. Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top
QueenHeartles (3 posts)
Nov-13-01, 05:12 AM (EST) 7. "RE: New York Suffers again... :{" You just made my point. Thank you. I'm awfully sorry for your friend who lost a loved one in New York. I honestly am. I pray every day for the souls of those victims of cowards. It doesn't take guts to steal a plane and crash it into a building. It takes guts to meet you enemy head on.If you see so much hatred and injustice here, but are you doing anything about it? Are you trying to help get the guns out of the hands of the misguided youth? Are you a member of a mentoring program that give a male figure for these children to look up to? Are you out there, helping the homeless, finding jobs for the unemployed or do you just turn your back and act smug because the GOVERNMENT isn't doing anything?The problems that we have here are significant, yes, but it takes PEOPLE to help those in need. Are you doing your part? I am. I do my part every day to help those less fortunate than I am. I can't give money, because I'm not that well off, but I give my time and efforts into making my community a better, safer place. Are you doing that, or just turning a blind eye and hope the police catch all the criminals so you don't have to deal with them?If you can honestly say, in your heart, that you can forgive those terrorist that took all those lives, well consider yourself one of the few. I can't honestly say I forgive them. And if that makes me (and about a billion other people around the world) the bad guys.The world is full of people that have differing opinions, and one of the things that makes THIS country great is that we can express them. Even if they are filled with hate, the government guarrantees our right of expression. Even in England, the have censorship that prevents the population from speaking their mind totally. Right now the country is trying to get back to some semblence of normal. We, as a nation, are looked up upon as a great people. Even those who mean to terrorize us send their children here to educate them. Being proud to be an American doesn't mean "goose-stepping" to the goverment's "march." Being Amercian means being free, and having that freedom is something that most Americans hold dearly.If you are so outraged about what is happening, why just voice it here? Have you done anything else to let your opinion be known? There are many people who badmouth the this very nation in which we live, but do nothing to change it. If you want changes, start making them yourself. Skip your regular Thanksgiving dinner to serve one to the homeless. Don't buy all the expensive presents for everyone in your family and make Christmas for some family that will go without. That's what I'm doing. Instead of buying the latest and greatest. I'm making Christmas possible for two children who wouldn't know it otherwise. Since you're so concerned for the internal problems of America.. it's time to step up to the plate and do something about them yourself. If more Americans did what I'm doing, this would be a much better place, don't you think? As for me wanting to kill you and your family, no... I wouldn't wish death on anyone (not even my worst enemy). But I will pray for you and your family this holiday season. I'll pray that your heart is opened up to those very things that you've stated today. Also, I never said I wanted them to carpet bomb Afganistan. I have faith that the leaders in the military will do what's needed to help resolve the situation. Unfortunately there are casualities in war on both sides. And not just military personnel. If you feel so strongly about the things you've stated, just don't sit here and post. DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT.Queen
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evildarkcow (131 posts)
Nov-13-01, 05:47 AM (EST) 8. "RE: New York Suffers again... :{" I do what I can to help out my fellow man, I have learned some great stuff from some really nice people, and I try to pass that on to as many people as I can. On my birthdays now I bake a cake and go give it out to homeless people and I tell my friends if they want to do something for me for my birthday they will do the same. I want to do more, I want to go out and teach youngins to do the sorts of things I know how to do.I do what I can to stop kids from feeling hate or anything along the sorts, I personly don't like guns at all. I don't forgive the terrorist for what they did but it really deeply bothers me everytime I hear about civilions dieing, I've seen here in person from little kid to grown up people get treated just as bad as they do there then die in such a horrid way, I feel so bad alot of the times because I was young and never thought to try to do anything to help some of these people.On thanks giving I am fed by someone else and I don't think they are about to skip their thanks giving for someone else and I am to poor to do any sort of Christmas stuff.... we haven't been doing Christmas for almost 3 years here at my house any money I normaly get ahead I use to put into some things around my own place to help bring a little joy for myself and to learn new skills that will help me later on.Around when I was 9-10 That is how I got my Christmas, by someone bringing us toys because we were to poor to buy them. Of course when I am well off enough I would love to do this, but for now there isn't much I can do. Got my first Trainset then to.I didn't say you wanted that, but there is people that do, I really fear sometimes what the USA can do with its weapons of war. And I fear even more that some of these people are in enough power that they may be able to use some of these weapons.I do what I can while I can, sometimes I wish I could do more but sometimes my mental state stops me from doing more, I try to do more though. Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top
ronik24 (131 posts)
Nov-13-01, 05:58 AM (EST) 9. "RE: New York Suffers again... :{" People, please THINK before you POSTIt's true that America fought many wars for freedom, but it's also true that it always was in America's interest to fight these wars.It's also true that America always had a certain arrogance when fighting for their cause which caused bad sentiments in other nations, especially in the Arabic World. They had the feeling the America was just fighting for itself, not themselves.Let me tell you an anecdote I heard in a TV discussion:
It's a story from Cold War times.
In some capital in the Near East there was a Soviet and an US embassy. In the Soviet embassy everyone from the highest ambassador to the lowest driver could speak fluently Arabic. In the US embassy no one could speak Arabic because they assumed that everyone could speak English.
That's the difference.Now concerning this freedom we are all proud about, I'm really worried. Along with the sentiments of the terrorist attacks politicians were enabled to execute their plans to cut the peoples' personal freedom. They also finally could live out their fear against all electronic media and pass laws to keep them even more under surveillance although it's proven that the terrorists didn't use them and it was a low tech attack.For example the PATRIOT act, which was passed two weeks after the attacks. It already was planned for years, now it doesn't seem to be a problem anymore. It violates quite a lot of the amendments, for example government agencies are now allowed to secretly search your house without ANY suspicion and without search warrant. It says in the title that it's against terrorists, but also against others. And these others are not defined...
President Bush said: The citizen's rights are not cut...I am glad that in Europe these laws did not pass and are still heavily discussed over!What also makes me really worried are the restrictions in the freedom of speech and press, the mindless patriotism and everything else.
It really can't be that anyone who is against the war and against the American policy is considered an enemy of the United States (as Mr. Bush declared)!
This is really the opposite of everything America and the free world stand for!It's also interesting to see how the "good" US always need their "evil" opponent. After the Soviets were gone, there was a little hole, they had to find Saddam and Milosevic, now they finally have got Osama.
It was shocking to see how all US and world media immediately knew that it was Osama, without even thinking, without even waiting for the evidence!
This shows that people only stick to their values as long as somebody else is affected.
Pictures of American bombs with "Eat this, Ossama!" written (spelled wrong) on them and then probably missing their target, are not good for the image as well.
Now I think it's good that these terrorists are caught and brought before a court according to our values (not "Cowboy - dead or alive" crap!).
Another question is, if this can be achieved by bombs on a non-existent infrastructure, hitting now and then innocent civilians.I think it's also good that regimes like the Taliban are removed from power, but it would be better with other means.But I don't think at all that this is going to solve any problems! The "Free World" exploiting the rest of the world, that is the main problem which I fear could get worse with this war.
We really had a great chance to finally unite the world and make it a better place, but if everyone sticks to his policy, we won't succeed.
Dropping the debt is a first step, but it still doesn't help these countries actively.Now this is my opinion and please don't write lectures about how great the US is when someone has a different opinion because in the Free World it's their RIGHT to have it!Greetings,
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Gixxer86g (254 posts)
Nov-13-01, 06:35 AM (EST) 10. "RE: New York Suffers again... :{" I agree with Mr.Ward.I'll leave it at that. Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top
Splatter (72 posts)
Nov-13-01, 10:40 AM (EST) 13. "RE: New York Suffers again... :{" "It's also interesting to see how the "good" US always need their "evil" opponent"Ummm I find this statement rather disturbing.Since when have we ever flown plane loads of civilians into buildings ?What did any of the victims of 9-11 ever do to any terrorists anywhere ?I am a professional firefighter and I lost over 300 brothers and sisters in the attack.THEY WERE CIVILIAN CASUALTIES !!!!!!THEY HAD NO WARNING !!!!When we started our war against THEM we gave them warning well ahead of time.Can the same be said of them ?All this bleeding heart crap over casualties of a declared WAR makes me sick.Most of the sept. victims didn't even know of bin laden before the attacks.How come people seem so worried about civilian casualties half a world away and forget the ones right here still being searched for.Maybe if these humanitarians spent a month trying to unearth there friends,family and coworkers they would have a different outlook.Freddie A. Huff
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evildarkcow (131 posts)
Nov-13-01, 11:15 AM (EST) 15. "RE: New York Suffers again... :{" Oh they wanted a war with Afghanistan even Billy boy was itching for a chance......For all we know some sick sob in the government could have cooked this thing up and done it so America would have their new enemy and a way to force other countrys to help fight against their new enemyYeah Bush said if you aren't with us you are with them, so I guess some countrys get screwed huh? forced into helping or siding with the USA because they don't want to be crapped on by them next.Speaking of which, I've talked to a couple groups of people that don't side with Bush, infact they rather hate him? of course there is more people like this out there, so when Bush said that he turned alot of normal people into terrorist, even old ladies. Oh no watch out! the Old Ladies are coming to kill us all!! run for your lifes!As someone told me later that day on 9/11 "I'm not surprised it happen, just suprised it didn't happen earlier" Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top
plainsman (272 posts)
Nov-13-01, 02:49 PM (EST) 25. "RE: New York Suffers again... :{" Several salient points:
1) Get up with a box cutter while I am on the plane, and be prepared to have a broken limb or two and it won't be painless. If I sound angry, I am. I share that with a few other people in the USA.
2) Some hardworking American farmer got up at 4 in the morning and drove a tractor till way past dark to grow the food you enjoy, whereever you are on the food chain, while a lot of lazy mindless hatemongers were out playing terrorist.
3)I think the American patience has worn pretty thin with folks that throw rocks and then cry when they are thrown back. We have been very tolerant of all kinds of ideas, unlike the countries that spawned this lunactic thought.
4)We can get a lot farther creating a world of common interests, rather than destroying the other guys world because it happens to be prosperous. That prosperity was not without its price. Most came as a result of a lot of hard work, and ingenuity.
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andrewpickell (43 posts)
Nov-13-01, 12:50 PM (EST) 17. "RE: New York Suffers again... :{" >Ummm I find this statement rather
>disturbing.Since when have we ever
>flown plane loads of civilians
>into buildings ?What did any
>of the victims of 9-11
>ever do to any terrorists
>anywhere ?I am a professional
>firefighter and I lost over
>300 brothers and sisters in
>the attack.THEY WERE CIVILIAN CASUALTIES
>!!!!!!THEY HAD NO WARNING !!!!>Freddie A. Huff I suppose that the 672,000 civilians killed in the bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki had some sort of warning? They were used by the United States government as targets. It kind of puts things into perspective when you consider the 6,000 people killed on September 11. Also interesting to note, that official WWII statistics place American civilian casualties at 6,000. -Andrew Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top
Splatter (72 posts)
Nov-13-01, 02:03 PM (EST) 24. "RE: New York Suffers again... :{" LAST EDITED ON Nov-13-01 AT 02:04 PM (EST)LAST EDITED ON Nov-13-01 AT 02:04 PM (EST)Andrew before posting numbers on Hiroshima please reread my post.The bomb was dropped to END a war.It wasn't as if the Japanese people had no idea a war was ongoing.Things had come to a point in WWII that we had to way the pros and cons of the bomb.If we dropped the bomb we lost so many hundreds of thousands.If we invaded Japan we would have lost millions on both sides.Yes it's sad that such a large number of civilians lost there lives because of the bomb but how many more did it save by ending the war ?Freddie A. Huff
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ronik24 (131 posts)
Nov-13-01, 01:23 PM (EST) 19. "RE: New York Suffers again... :{" >"It's also interesting to see how the "good" US always need their "evil" opponent"This wasn't meant specifically for the events now, but generally, rather regarding psychology, not actual criminals.
Also I have to say that although these events are very tragic, nobody ever cares about the MILLIONS of people being killed in the Third World.
By the way, EVERY Afghan has lost a relative over the past years and all of them would be glad if they could only feel a little as secure as we do now.Greetings,
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evildarkcow (131 posts)
Nov-13-01, 11:49 AM (EST) 16. "RE: New York Suffers again... :{" >
>For example the PATRIOT act, which
>was passed two weeks after
>the attacks. It already was
>planned for years, now it
>doesn't seem to be a
>problem anymore. It violates quite
>a lot of the amendments,
>for example government agencies are
>now allowed to secretly search
>your house without ANY suspicion
>and without search warrant. It
>says in the title that
>it's against terrorists, but also
>against others. And these others
>are not defined...
>President Bush said: The citizen's rights
>are not cut...
>
Like it stoped them before, in a place I lived at some years back cops did a couple illegal searchs at our place, probably trying to find drugs or weapons or something they could pin on us but never found anything because we weren't doing crap wrong. some of you people are higher on the American Food Chain and couldn't ever understand what that is like and how some people down on my part of the food chain feel now that they can make up some stupid reason then come hassle these people for it and what not.
>I am glad that in Europe
>these laws did not pass
>and are still heavily discussed
>over!
>
>What also makes me really worried
>are the restrictions in the
>freedom of speech and press,
>the mindless patriotism and everything
>else.
>It really can't be that anyone
>who is against the war
>and against the American policy
>is considered an enemy of
>the United States (as Mr.
>Bush declared)!
>This is really the opposite of
>everything America and the free
>world stand for!
>Well to people it seems if you don't side with them you are the enemy, it doesn't mater who you are. In times of war Freespeach is a thing of the past..... it may not be illegal to speak your mind but that wont stop people from beating someone down for saying something against bush or america
>It's also interesting to see how
>the "good" US always need
>their "evil" opponent. After the
>Soviets were gone, there was
>a little hole, they had
>to find Saddam and Milosevic,
>now they finally have got
>Osama.
>It was shocking to see how
>all US and world media
>immediately knew that it was
>Osama, without even thinking, without
>even waiting for the evidence! >Pictures of American bombs with "Eat
>this, Ossama!" written (spelled wrong)
>on them and then probably
>missing their target, are not
>good for the image as
>well.
>Yeah sure missed their target, A few weeks ago I saw alot of stuff about them talking about how advanced their missles and stuff were, how well it can hit its target and not miss, either they think a little to highly of their weapons or they aren't missing their target....>
>Now I think it's good that
>these terrorists are caught and
>brought before a court according
>to our values (not "Cowboy
>- dead or alive" crap!).
>
I think Bush is more of the "Cowboy dead or alive" type.>I think it's also good that
>regimes like the Taliban are
>removed from power, but it
>would be better with other
>means.
>
The Taliban came into power so easy because the people thought the Taliban would be better then what they had before. It would be good to remove them so the people could live better, but look what is going to replace the Taliban? The same type of people that were running the country before the Taliban came and took power.... >But I don't think at all
>that this is going to
>solve any problems! The "Free
>World" exploiting the rest of
>the world, that is the
>main problem which I fear
>could get worse with this
>war.
>We really had a great chance
>to finally unite the world
>and make it a better
>place, but if everyone sticks
>to his policy, we won't
>succeed.
>Dropping the debt is a first
>step, but it still doesn't
>help these countries actively.
>They will help other countries if it means more Money for the Americans.... of course sometimes when they "help" they end up making things worse for the people they were "helping"
>Now this is my opinion and
>please don't write lectures about
>how great the US is
>when someone has a different
>opinion because in the Free
>World it's their RIGHT to
>have it!
>
>Greetings,
>Roní I've heard that in some of these countrys they have been involved with lately they want to run a Oil pipe through them, including Afghanistan.... The Taliban would have not let them do that but if they get a new government into Afghanistan they will be able to twist the new government are into and let them build their oil pipe.
There are alot more Anti-American people out there then you may think.
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ENTrainman (36 posts)
Nov-14-01, 00:47 AM (EST) 31. "RE: New York Suffers again... :{" I dont generaly take sides but when these idiot hippies that have nothing other to do than whine about their own country start making up facts and other BS i get annoyed! evilcow (whatever you name is) i think these new bombs are accurate and so do most other people, hmm 2 out of 5000 bombs missing their targets? well that is pretty dam good! The US is not a bad country, infact they are Canada's best ally and we stand behind the United States actions! Hell, we would support you guys if you loaded up the pieces of the WTC and the Pentagon in C-17's and dumped them on Afganistan!Anyways thats my opinion, and if you dont like it, well thats too bad!! Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top
evildarkcow (131 posts)
Nov-14-01, 01:57 AM (EST) 33. "RE: New York Suffers again... :{" >when these idiot hippies that Yeah sure me a Hippy..... hahaha that is funny.>US is not a bad
>country, infact they are Canada's
>best ally and we stand
>behind the United States actions! You sure like a country alot even though its people tend to trash and make fun of Canada a lot, I don't but I see it alot and it rather offends me some of the stupid things people say when trashing Canada. Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top
BigDave (53 posts)
Nov-14-01, 01:23 AM (EST) 32. "RE: New York Suffers again... :{" I'll drink to that!!! (no booze I'm but a babe and a suckling)BigDave Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top
Beany (1 posts)
Nov-13-01, 07:31 AM (EST) 11. "RE: New York Suffers again... :{" Quote
>Need I also
>remind you of the billions
>upon billions of dollars that
>was GIVEN by AMERICA to
>rebuild Europe and Japan?
>
>QueenHeartles
>
>P.S. The "misstatment" of evildarkcow's name
>is intentional.
end quoteThe money, grain, materials etc, given to Britain during and at the end of WW2 was NOT given. It was a loan that Britain ended up having to pay back at the end of the war and for the next 15 years after the end of the war.The only reason why the americans got involved was that the Soviets were moving closer and closer to Poland and the Americans predicted that Stalin would not stop at Germany.... The Americans, brits, french and anyone else who was on-side fought the Germans to end the war in Germany and prevent the Soviet Union from marching any further into Europe.As for the use of Nuclear Weapons....The use of or the threat of the use of nuclear weapons of any type on any nation has been declared by the United Nations to be a henious crime for which a war-crimes tribunial could be called. It would be Political Suicide for Bush to go nuclear. Leave the Nukes out of this and just sit and wait.....I do not want war and it is NOT in my name that Tony Blair makes war using the British Army/Navy/Air Force. I do not want any of my soldiers/fighters/navy (that I paid for through my taxes) fighting in somebody else's war.All I want to do is Play trainz, drink tea and eat biscuits....regardsBeanpole. Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top
SHEPLEY1935 (99 posts)
Nov-13-01, 01:31 PM (EST) 21. "RE: New York Suffers again... :{" The WW2 lend lease military and food supplies that the US provide the UK have never been repaid and that is cold hard historical fact. If we had not entered the two World Wars of the last century Bean Pole would not be able to voice his critisisim
today. He should reflect the misery that the UK inflicted on the
people of Ireland, Africa and India and the millions of lives that were destroyed when the British people were a colonial power.There are more important things happening in this world than eat-
ing scones with Devon Cream and jam, drinking tea and playing with trains. So much for the "Bone Idle"!
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BigDave (53 posts)
Nov-16-01, 01:39 PM (EST) 40. "RE: New York Suffers again... :{" The RAF stood up very well against the Luftwaffe in the Battle of Britain, you know.
Another thing, you were getting your arse kicked in the Pacific and we rescued you *puts on smug, superior additude*Anyway, its not just the Arabian world that disdains you, Canada looks down on you too, geographically and morally. Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top
rgarber (535 posts)
Nov-13-01, 10:19 AM (EST) 12. "RE: New York Suffers again... :{" Yo! Mr. Cow...,I think you need to do a little rereading. Apparently you don't know sarcasm when you see it. Try the chill pill stuff, it works. Seems like you take yourself and the stuff you espouse a little too seriously. Unwind, take a vacation, have a glass of milk, it's a natural.The original post is typical American bravado. You say you live here and you don't know that? Do you really think ole Sniper buddy is adovacating real nuke useage?? I guarantee as a former serviceman, Sniper knows more about nukes than you ever will. People in the military, and that is what they are... people, are quite knowledgeable what the things do. BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN THEY CAN'T JOKE ABOUT IT. sheesh!I'll say this about your post in response. What a case of apologetics for the bad guys. Are you sure your from this country?Rich Garber Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top
evildarkcow (131 posts)
Nov-13-01, 10:57 AM (EST) 14. "RE: New York Suffers again... :{" There are people out there that want that and people out there in power that are pushing for it. Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top
QueenHeartles (3 posts)
Nov-13-01, 01:20 PM (EST) 18. "RE: New York Suffers again... :{" Thank you Beany, for your correction. Our government doesn't always tell us what's going on. I'll go slap my history teacher for not being correct in his teachings ;)If evildarkcow is so concerned over the innocents, and the use of nuclear weapons, there are things that can be done. And as for "if you're not with us, you're against us" philosophy that President Bush has made so clear - evildarkcow, has the FBI been knocking on your door demanding that you come with them, because of your thoughts? Are you worried that because you are against this war on terrorism you are going to be subject to untold harrassment by the federal government? I have not seen anything about ANYONE being yanked out of their homes for being against this war. I see no "camps" for the "enemy" being built. And if the authorities want to come search my house.. let them. I will make coffee and cake.But such is life since 9/11.Splatter, I am deeply sorry for your losses and my heartfelt condolences go out to you and your family of firefighters.I still believe in the freedom of expression, the right to choose what you believe and the right every American citizen has to speak their mind.Before we all go about half cock, accusing people of atrocities that are part of war, think about what the world would be like if some sacrifices weren't made. If some hard decisions would not have been made. If everyone lived their lives on the side of caution, what a boring world this would be.Gentlemen...Queen Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top
ronik24 (131 posts)
Nov-13-01, 01:27 PM (EST) 20. "RE: New York Suffers again... :{" Of course people in reality are not arrested because of their opinion.But the fact that a law exists so that it COULD be done is absolutely UNACCEPTABLE in a free country! Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top
rgarber (535 posts)
Nov-13-01, 01:42 PM (EST) 22. "RE: New York Suffers again... :{" Queenie,Your posts are very well stated! Cow fella..."There are people out there that want that and people out there in power that are pushing for it."

Yep, that maybe so. But that's not evident in Sniper's post. So to haul off and project your feelings about others towards him isn't necessary.And as for this other comment you made towards him, well.."I guess it is not like you would understand you are probably pretty high on the American food chain"Seriously, you need to do alot more reading. Do a search on Sniper (be prepared to wait) and see what turns up. Mr. Sniper is one of the best friends you got here if you ever have trouble, and that's a fact, not an opinion. He's gone out of his way a million times over to help people with tutorials, technical questions, activity questions, route questions, questions about questions... it goes on. He brings a humor to the board that many of us appreciate. Why if there was a Jim Stevens award, he ought to get one. Who is Jim Stevens? Do another search.So I say... if ole Snipper wants wants to nuke Afgan.. I say... LET'EM!!! *clears throat and pauses to rethink what was just said* and let's get on the business of trains.Rich GarberLOL!!! i kill me...
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evildarkcow (131 posts)
Nov-13-01, 05:02 PM (EST) 27. "RE: New York Suffers again... :{" I will take your word for it and admit I was wrong in doing so in posting that reply to sniper, sorry sniper. Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top
SHEPLEY1935 (99 posts)
Nov-13-01, 01:45 PM (EST) 23. "RE: New York Suffers again... :{" Sniper,
If you are on active duty at this time please know that you and your family, especially that young son of yours, are in my prayers and thoughts! One day we will meet up at Union and ride the North Shore and I will tell your son stories that will make his hair stand up! :-0 Be safe and Thanks!
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rsf (20 posts)
Nov-13-01, 03:23 PM (EST) 26. "RE: New York Suffers again... :{" I live in queens, NYC, so if you've any spare change, please can you donate to the NY Fire Department. Thanks for all your help. Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top
Gixxer86g (254 posts)
Nov-13-01, 06:34 PM (EST) 28. "RE: New York Suffers again... :{" Sniper,I would like to add that I owe you a at least a good brew for your service.I was accepted into the Air Force Academy in 1986 but couldn't pass the physical due to chronic asthma.The older I get the more that bothers me.Ignore the "enlightened folks".In a real war they are the first to be killed.Monty Python's Flying Circus called PM Chamberlain's pre war effort to befriend Hitler "Britain's great pre-war joke".Love and peace are things we all want,but you can't have that when someone wants to kill you.You must live in the real world.In the real world people both love and hate each other.For every laugh there is a cry.That's nature and the last time I looked we were still a part of it.Like it or not,dropping the A-bombs on Japan was justified and necessary to end the war with Japan and discourage Stalin from invading Alaska.It sucks it had to come to that,but they asked for it.So what we killed a few hundred thousand Japs with just two bombs?They killed at least 12 million Chinese just to get started.When you chose that path that's what you get. Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top
sniper297 (854 posts)
Nov-13-01, 08:19 PM (EST) 29. "RE: New York Suffers again... :{" Wow, lotta strong feelings in here. That's what I get for expressing my opinion, stirring up the rabble in the lower food chain. "Evil"darkcow, you oughtta consider changing your nickname, it don't quite fit in with your philosophy. A somewhat naive philosophy, in my arrogant opinion, that "let's not stoop to their level" crap doesn't work whether you're dealing with schoolyard bullies, fascist dictators or self-appointed swords of Allah. You can't kill sewer rats without crawling through the sewers, although you can delude yourself into believing you actually finished the job without getting dirty. No, Rich, that wasn't a joke, this is totally different from the "war" you and I fought, we're not trying to save the world from godless communists or convert the third world into capitalist republican yuppies here, this is about survival. A suicide bomber gives his life for "his people", taking as many of "our people" with him as he can, do you suppose they would continue to do that if they knew we would go after their families in retaliation? Would they try that with the Mafia? Would you kick a rabid dog? Mind you, I lived through the race riots of the late 60s as a primary target, white boy in a black neighborhood, so I'm not advocating attacking Arab Americans. I spent over 3 hours hiding in garbage cans and dodging around burning cars trying to get home from school after my bus was overturned by a mob in April of 68, and I personally had nothing to do with assassinating Dr. King. I don't think anyone on this forum would be that stupid, I did see some of that after Sept. 11th, including some Indians these morons attacked in spite of the prominent dots on their foreheads. What I'm saying is that this is one we absolutely must win, and if bin Laden actually does have access to nukes as he claims, and since they have already demonstrated that maximum civilian casualties are their goal, we'd feel awfully silly having one of his nukes go off in our faces while trying to fight a "civilised" war. And pushing the button on one of these fanatic countries would not make more enemies than we already have, the only thing they respect is force, so my belief is that it would reduce future problems and casualties.
I suppose I could be considered high on the food chain in my neighborhood, when I was a kid we had a black and white TV, a family with a color TV was considered "rich", the kids living in the cold water flats (one toilet at the end of the hall per floor, shared by 4 to 6 apartments) considered those of us who lived in apartments with our own bathroom and hot water to be "rich". And of course I actually live in a house now, with a washer in the basement, no laundromats for me any more, and my youngest son is probably the only kid on the West Side with an 800mhz Athlon. So yeah, I guess you could call me a rich guy, depending on where you set the standard.
I agree with some of your politics tho, "evil"darkcow, 90% of the wealth in this nation is owned by 10% of the people, who buy and sell politicians to maintain the difference. My bleeding heart lives closer to home, tho, I never sent a nickel to the starving orphans in Ethiopia, I have starving, neglected, and abused children right here in my neighborhood getting caught in the crossfire of the drug war, welfare "reform", and gang warfare on a regular basis. After all of mine are taken care of I'll worry about someone else's.
And no, Don, that shot was taken over 20 years ago aboard the USS America, I don't know if She's even still in commission. I'm sure not still in commision, my total involvement with terrorism has been reassuring the kids I work with, who already have enough to worry about, that I would do anything and everything in my power, including acts of unspeakable evil to fight evil, to protect them if it came here.Jim Ward
Chicago
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evildarkcow (131 posts)
Nov-13-01, 08:43 PM (EST) 30. "RE: New York Suffers again... :{" I'm just going to stop talking in this thread, I don't like people making fun of my nickname, so what if I'm not really an EVIL person bent on destorying the world, it is just a nickname.... Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top
angus987 (77 posts)
Nov-14-01, 02:22 AM (EST) 34. "RE: New York Suffers again... :{"
I think that there are no easy answers here, but I hope that the events that have transpired in the last 24hrs will take the pressure off many of the Afghan People. While It is true that there have been civillian casualties in Afghanistan and they are tragic, it seems to me that the events of the 11th of September cannot be allowed to stand. It is true also that it is always innthe U.S's interest when it gets into a fight, but name me a country that goes in to fight when it isn't in their interest.
I would ask people who would have the U.S. and indeed my Country (Australia) out of Afghanistan just how we should deal with those Attacks, just wait for it to happen again? Ask Nicely for Bin Ladin? (That didn't work)! The events of September could have just as easily happened to me or anyone in else in the free world. when I'm in danger, I tend to take action to alleviate the danger, I'm sorry for the people of Afghanistan, I'm sure that a wrong is being commited against them, but still, because of the attacks on Afghanistan, I am less likely to be killed the next time I hop on board a flight to Melbourne and if you can't live with that, well I sure can!P.S. please take it in the spirit it is meant when I mutter about the U.S. always turning up late to World Wars........
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Boweavel (1235 posts)
Nov-14-01, 04:35 AM (EST) 35. "RE: New York Suffers again... :{" All responses in this thread have only left one thought in my head...."WHENEVER LIFE GETS YOU DOWN MRS BROWN..AND THINGS SEEM HARD OR TOUGH.AND PEOPLE ARE STUPID, OBNOXIOUS OR DAFT AND YOU FEEL THAT YOU'VE QUITE HAD ENOUGH.....Just remember that you're standing on a planet thats evolving,
And revolving at 900miles an hour,
Thats orbiting at 19 miles a second, so its reckoned, A sun that is the sorce of all our power.
The sun and you and me and all the stars that we can see,Are moving at a million miles a day, In an outer spiral arm at 40,000 miles an hour, Of the galaxy we call the milky way..Our galaxy itself contains 100 billion stars
Its 100,000 light years side to side,
It bulges in the middle, 16,000 light years thick but out by us its just 3,000 light years wide,
We're 30,000 light years from galactic central point, We go round every 200 million years,
And our galaxy is only one of millions of billions in this amazing and expanding Universe...The universe itself keeps on expanding and expanding, In all of the directions it can wiz,
As fast as it can go, at the speed of light you know,
12 million miles a minute and thats the fastest speed there is.
So remember when you're feeling very small and insecure
How amazingly unlikley is your birth.....
And pray that theres intelligent life somewhere up in space because theres bugger all down here on Earth.................(Eric Idle)Kinda makes me feel that this issue is kinda insignificant .Life will go onCatchya's Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top
henry3 (207 posts)
Nov-14-01, 12:22 PM (EST) 36. "RE: New York Suffers again... :{" Jim,I'm not going to weigh in on this thread, though I heartily agree with most of what you said.I just thought I'd let you know that your old ship, like yourself has indeed been decomissioned. Here's a pic:I'm not sure where she's at laid up now, but I think it might be in Philly as a part of the reserve fleetHenry Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top
Boweavel (1235 posts)
Nov-14-01, 12:50 PM (EST) 37. "RE: New York Suffers again... :{" Know of any good web sites for naval photo's ? Current day or historical ?Cant find many myself...Catchya Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top
henry3 (207 posts)
Nov-14-01, 01:54 PM (EST) 38. "RE: New York Suffers again... :{" Boweavel,I've had a lot of success finding naval links through the Warships1 website:http://www.warships1.com/I think there are links and chat groups for most things military through here.Henry Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top
Boweavel (1235 posts)
Nov-16-01, 03:13 PM (EST) 41. "RE: New York Suffers again... :{" LAST EDITED ON Nov-16-01 AT 03:58 PM (EST)bugger it..I stuffed up..check the new post on navy links :} Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top
Boweavel (1235 posts)
Nov-16-01, 01:24 PM (EST) 39. "RE: New York Suffers again... :{" Hmm Things seem to be afoot.....
MORE FOREIGN TROOPS MOBILIZEAt Bagram, north of Kabul, C-130 military cargo planes carrying 160 U.S. and British troops flew into the air base on Thursday to secure and repair an airfield that could be used both for military operations and for humanitarian aid.Hints of unease surfaced in the Northern Alliance's relationship with the U.S.-led coalition. It said it had not been told of the arrival of the British troops.France, Germany and Canada also prepared to send in forces as part of a multinational mission to protect the distribution of food to millions of needy Afghans.France sent the first of 300 troops on Friday, headed for Uzbekistan as a staging post into northern Afghanistan. German Chancellor Gerhard Schroeder won a parliamentary vote of confidence to ensure he got majority backing for his plans to send up to 3,900 troops. Canada said the first contingent of a 1,000-strong rapid deployment force to assist in the aid effort would be ready to leave within hours of getting orders
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