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cjmaclean (476 posts)
Nov-04-01, 05:01 PM (EST) "Do Aussie single-cab diesels actually have two?" Hi folks,
I know this question sounds strange, but I recently saw a photo of an Australian diesel (I think it was one of those V-Line ones which appear to be based on the EMD E or F units), where I noted that there were small side windows on the blunt (rear) end of the engine, and also a second set of horns on the roof there. To me it looks as if this was a secondary cab...is that right? If so, what is the purpose behind this? Me, I wouldn't be running a loco with one blunt rear and one aerodynamic front end backwards all the time...
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Subject Author Message Date ID RE: Do Aussie single-cab diesels ac... KngtRider Nov-05-01 1 RE: Do Aussie single-cab diesels ac... steam4me Nov-05-01 2 RE: Do Aussie single-cab diesels ac... VRfan Nov-05-01 3 RE: Do Aussie single-cab diesels ac... KngtRider Nov-05-01 4 RE: Do Aussie single-cab diesels ac... steam4me Nov-06-01 5 RE: Do Aussie single-cab diesels ac... cjmaclean Nov-06-01 6 RE: Do Aussie single-cab diesels ac... steam4me Nov-06-01 7 RE: Do Aussie single-cab diesels ac... KngtRider Nov-09-01 8 RE: Do Aussie single-cab diesels ac... nevz73 Nov-12-01 9

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KngtRider (102 posts)
Nov-05-01, 00:54 AM (EST) 1. "RE: Do Aussie single-cab diesels actually have two?" yep yep :pthe 'f units' had a 2nd cab but it wasnt a full cab, just basic controlsthe 'fa units' had a full b end cabwe also have double ended 'f units' nose on each endnote we have them thru their emd export models not the american oneseg A means nose/cowl J means flat cab G means hood etc etc********************************
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steam4me (19 posts)
Nov-05-01, 04:27 PM (EST) 2. "RE: Do Aussie single-cab diesels actually have two?" Yes, the rear "hostler's" cab was only used for shunting and low-speed, short distance transfer movements (eg from station or yard to loco depot). RegardsYuri. Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top
VRfan (21 posts)
Nov-05-01, 06:30 PM (EST) 3. "RE: Do Aussie single-cab diesels actually have two?" The Clyde/GM NSWGR 421 class has two full cabs with an EMD streamlined nose at the No 1 end and a flat No 2 end. The Goodwin/ALCO DL500 (SAR 930 and NSWGR 44) also has two cabs with a streamlined nose at the No 1 end and a flat No 2 end. All of these locos look a little bit wierd when they run with the No 2 end leading! Clyde - Australian manufacturer of EMD locomotives. The name was changed to EDI Rail last year.A.E. Goodwin - Former manufacturer of ALCO locomotives in Australia. This company folded in the 1970's.NSWGR - New South Wales Government RailwaysSAR - South Australian Railways.--Victorian Railfan Web Site:
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KngtRider (102 posts)
Nov-05-01, 10:06 PM (EST) 4. "RE: Do Aussie single-cab diesels actually have two?" yuri what loco is thatit looks red :ponly vr had dual b end and they never had a red S********************************
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steam4me (19 posts)
Nov-06-01, 05:53 AM (EST) 5. "RE: Do Aussie single-cab diesels actually have two?" >what loco is that
>it looks red :p
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It's the orange rear end of S312, taken on the non-sun side on an intermittently very grey dull Wednesday 31 Oct 2001 at West Coast Railway's Ballarat East Depot (hence the blue cast giving a redder appearance). Formerly with Victorian Railways then V/Line, it was purchased by WCR and was in fact WCR's first operational locomotive. It is currently stored unserviceable at Ballarat East and may be restored to active service in 2002: there are at least three steam locos in the queue ahead of it !Here's a photo of the front of the loco taken in a patch of sunshine a couple of minutes later.Just to keep your juices flowing, here's a shot of ex-VR B80 (a double-ended bulldog), also owned by WCR and repainted into a "Murraylander" livery for a tourist passenger service in South Australia that never got off the ground. She's currently on standard gauge and is a "gun for hire" in NSW and Victoria. Nice, eh? Not too many silver bogies in Australia in 2001.BTW, following on from your "complaints" <gentle smile> in another thread, there are both a B class and an S class in early stages of construction at the moment.... but they're in a long queue as well... so much rollingstock, so little time. And with the nitpickers that are already grumbling about one letter on a wagon (RLEX vs VLEX), I'll hold off releasing it until I talk to Michael about changing the offending letter.RegardsYuri.
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cjmaclean (476 posts)
Nov-06-01, 11:42 AM (EST) 6. "RE: Do Aussie single-cab diesels actually have two?" Looking at the photo of that Murraylander engine, what type of coupler is used on Aussie railroads anyway? Do you have an own design, or is it the U.S.-type auto coupler?Also, this double-ender reminds me a lot of the NOHAB-built bulldogs, as operated in Hungary (class M61; the class leader is a beauty!!!), Belgium (class 54) and a few others. Are the NOHABs and this Aussie bulldog related in any way?D.M. Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top
steam4me (19 posts)
Nov-06-01, 07:04 PM (EST) 7. "RE: Do Aussie single-cab diesels actually have two?" >what type of
>coupler is used on Aussie
>railroads anyway? Do you have
>an own design, or is
>it the U.S.-type auto coupler? ]We use a standard auto coupler.

>Are
>the NOHABs and this Aussie
>bulldog related in any way?
No, the B class is pure EMD, from bulldog nose (2 thereof) to 567 engine.
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KngtRider (102 posts)
Nov-09-01, 03:32 AM (EST) 8. "RE: Do Aussie single-cab diesels actually have two?" the belguim ones are EMD export unitsi researched this a while ago but they use diff nosesthus we are the only country in the world with true double nose bulldogs********************************
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nevz73 (24 posts)
Nov-12-01, 09:08 AM (EST) 9. "RE: Do Aussie single-cab diesels actually have two?" Hi allNew Zealand has double enders as well I think its called DG, old loco though, not sure if they still us them.Nevz73
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