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Crash (104 posts)
Oct-25-01, 10:46 AM (EST) "Genesis Engine" I've noticed that on every Amtrak train that goes by my office that uses the Genesis Engine has 1, 2, or 3 engines in the lead, but I have never seen one rear facing. They are all facing forward. Does anyone know why? Like I have said, I've never seen one facing backwards.BNSF Western Washington Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top
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Subject Author Message Date ID RE: Genesis Engine kenm62 Oct-25-01 1 RE: Genesis Engine akochan Oct-26-01 3 RE: Genesis Engine kenm62 Oct-26-01 4 RE: Genesis Engine henry3 Oct-25-01 2 RE: Genesis Engine Macster Oct-26-01 5 RE: Genesis Engine landnrailroader Oct-26-01 6

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kenm62 (82 posts)
Oct-25-01, 01:57 PM (EST) 1. "RE: Genesis Engine" No Genesis facing backwards? What about this?
Or this...
Or the third unit here.
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akochan (37 posts)
Oct-26-01, 02:17 PM (EST) 3. "RE: Genesis Engine" Hey, those are some nice pictures...
But how do I know it's not just facing front wards and you're just saying it's facing backwards. Those pictures don't move. I think you're lying to us all.(J/K) ;)-Andy
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kenm62 (82 posts)
Oct-26-01, 02:37 PM (EST) 4. "RE: Genesis Engine" If you shake your monitor, side to side, then they will move, (if ever so slightly). Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top
henry3 (75 posts)
Oct-25-01, 03:45 PM (EST) 2. "RE: Genesis Engine" What you're seeing is probably a localized practice applied in mountainous areas. Some years ago, an Amtrak train in the western U.S. (the CZ, I think) derailed in the mountains in the winter.During the post-mortem it was deduced that ice and/or other debris had accumulated between the plow and lead axle of the trailing, rear-facing F40PH until it reached a quantity sufficient to lift the end of the unit from the rails. Suffice it to say, a derailment quickly ensued. After that realization, care was taken to ensure that all F40's on such trains faced forward only, particularly in the Winter.I imagine that the practice has been carried forward with the P40's and P42's.Henry Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top
Macster (168 posts)
Oct-26-01, 03:04 PM (EST) 5. "RE: Genesis Engine" Yes, I remember when a derailment like that happened in the Blue Mountains. A loaded Soda Ash train killed over after heavy snow killed over the second unit of 8...no one was hurt luckily....Brian E. Bundridge
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landnrailroader (43 posts)
Oct-26-01, 09:04 PM (EST) 6. "RE: Genesis Engine" Well, I don't really have an answer to your question, but I expect that the comment about accumulated snow is a reasonable one. Once upon a time, "E" units were operated back to back, mainly because it eliminated having to turn a locomotive consist at the end of a run. However, if the lead unit had a control failure on line-of-road as one of my late Uncle's once had, then there was "H" to pay.I rode the Empire Builder in Jan. 99 from St.Paul to Seattle, and east of Spokane, there were three Genesis units, all facing west. AFter Spokane, one goes to Portland, two to Seattle.Now get this.Three weeks ago, my wife and I rode the SouthWest Chief from Chicago to Williams, AZ and there were FOUR Genesis units (and a total of 36 cars) out of Chicago, 26 of them being box cars and road-railers on the rear end.Eastbound out of Williams, back to Chicago, there were FIVE units and 38 cars. All units seemed to be in power, all the time, but the combined 16,000 (or 20,000) horsepower was mainly for the climb over Raton Pass.J. H. Sullivan, P.E.
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