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HackCharter Member · 2494 postsJun 20, 2003 7:57 PM

Just saw it on the news...Runaway 19-car UP freight out of City of Industry derailed in Commerce, CA at a high rate of speed, destroying two houses and damaging several others. Reports of only one moderate and 10 minor injuries thus far.Cheers!
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RE: OT: UP Hits Houses in Commerce, CA, smp11512, Jun-20-03, 04:03 PM, (1) RE: OT: UP Hits Houses in Commerce, CA, IcyFire, Jun-20-03, 04:09 PM, (2) RE: OT: UP Hits Houses in Commerce, CA, Hack, Jun-20-03, 04:16 PM, (3) RE: OT: UP Hits Houses in Commerce, CA, TexasWestern70Mac, Jun-20-03, 04:25 PM, (4) RE: OT: UP Hits Houses in Commerce, CA, dcushing, Jun-20-03, 08:12 PM, (8) RE: OT: UP Hits Houses in Commerce, CA, shoskins, Jun-21-03, 01:29 AM, (11) RE: OT: UP Hits Houses in Commerce, CA, Hack, Jun-21-03, 05:10 AM, (12) RE: OT: UP Hits Houses in Commerce, CA, bnsf1959, Jun-20-03, 04:28 PM, (5) RE%3A OT%3A UP Hits Houses in Commerce%2C CA, dgauci, Jun-20-03, 04:40 PM, (6) RE: RE%3A OT%3A UP Hits Houses in Commerce%2C CA, rgh69, Jun-20-03, 06:04 PM, (7) RE: OT: UP Hits Houses in Commerce, CA, Magick_maker, Jun-20-03, 08:13 PM, (9) RE: OT: UP Hits Houses in Commerce, CA, jfroth1, Jun-20-03, 08:51 PM, (10) RE: OT: UP Hits Houses in Commerce, CA, Hobart, Jun-21-03, 11:00 PM, (13) RE: OT: UP Hits Houses in Commerce, CA, BN_9402, Jun-22-03, 03:38 AM, (14) RE: OT: UP Hits Houses in Commerce, CA, Hobart, Jun-22-03, 09:10 AM, (15) RE: OT: UP Hits Houses in Commerce, CA, bnsf1959, Jun-23-03, 11:43 AM, (16) RE: OT: UP Hits Houses in Commerce, CA, shoskins, Jun-23-03, 05:10 PM, (17)

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smp11512Member since Apr-7-03 · 606 postsJun 20, 2003 8:03 PM

RE: OT: UP Hits Houses in Commerce, CA

I just saw that too. the UP guy they talked to on the Phone said that the Loco lost these cars while doing yard switching up the line a bit .My website for MSTS Pic's www.msnusers.com/shanestrains

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IcyFireCharter Member · 2244 postsJun 20, 2003 8:09 PM

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Saw a blurb on it on the news, at the time they had no info, only a heli shot, lot of wood from then centerbeams scattered

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HackCharter Member · 2494 postsJun 20, 2003 8:16 PM

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>lot of wood from then centerbeams scatteredUP will need that, and then some, to rebuild the houses destroyed and/or damaged.Cheers!
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TexasWestern70MacCharter Member · 1073 postsJun 20, 2003 8:25 PM

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was this on the Cajon line? i have heard of runaways doing that in the early 1990's on that line, except the result was far worse than this one, thank goodness no one died in this one. OT: UP Hits Houses in Commerce, CA – image 6 Hauling America one pixel at a time
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dcushingMember since Aug-14-02 · 137 postsJun 21, 2003 12:12 AM

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No, not Cajon pass. Commerce is a closer in to Los Angeles. I believe their reporting the cars actually broke loose in Montclair and it was Union Pacific personnel that chose to derail the train at this location because the were afraid what would have happened had it gotten closer to downtown L.A.

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shoskinsCharter Member · 958 postsJun 21, 2003 5:29 AM

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Geez, if they let it go into LA, they could have let it dump into the concrete trough known as the Los Angeles River and it wouldn't have done any damage....

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HackCharter Member · 2494 postsJun 21, 2003 9:10 AM

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>Geez, if they let it go into LA, they could have let it dump
>into the concrete trough known as the Los Angeles River and
>it wouldn't have done any damage....Doubtful. Even if it was an option, the cars were on a downgrade and accellerating. Besides, how would they get the cars to go in the river? Coax them to "jump off a bridge?"Cheers!
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bnsf1959Charter Member · 417 postsJun 20, 2003 8:28 PM

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I have the news link here for the derailment;http://www.cnn.com/2003/US/West/06/20/train.derails.ap/index.html
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dgauciCharter Member · 1297 postsJun 20, 2003 8:40 PM

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rgh69Member since Apr-6-03 · 260 postsJun 20, 2003 10:04 PM

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That sure looks serious!

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Magick_makerMember since Apr-15-03 · 757 postsJun 21, 2003 12:13 AM

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Just saw on the news. UP derailed the train by sending it into a siding. They claimed that the accident was the lesser of two evils because it was heading in the direction of some commuter trains.

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jfroth1Charter Member · 874 postsJun 21, 2003 12:51 AM

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Let's all hope the casualties are minimal...John Roth

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HobartCharter Member · 575 postsJun 22, 2003 3:00 AM

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LAST EDITED ON Jun-21-03 AT 11:02 PM (EDT)

I always wanted to work for the railroad but now that I'm older and wiser(or senile) I've come to realize how much real railroading sucks. They run those guys ragged, then after one tired mistake their career is over. Last week on the BNSF near Buena Park CA an engineer thought he was going to slam into another train, so he hit the panic button. The conductor decided to bail out and was killed, the train that the hogger thought he was going to collide with was on a separate track.

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BN_9402Charter Member · 438 postsJun 22, 2003 7:38 AM

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I heard something that the cars were timed doing upwards of 30+ MPH between the CPs when they derailed. Anyone heard different about that?Austin
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HobartCharter Member · 575 postsJun 22, 2003 1:10 PM

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The local news said 70+ but they're seldom correct, unless its 50/50 and then they run about 20%.

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bnsf1959Charter Member · 417 postsJun 23, 2003 3:43 PM

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LAST EDITED ON Jun-23-03 AT 11:50 AM (EDT)

Here's the latest update on what really cause the accident;
http://www.cnn.com/2003/US/West/06/23/train.derail.ap/index.html
They even said all the 5 employees involved were removed from work and were interviewed by NTSB, tested for drugs.Edit; latest and by NTSB.Ken
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shoskinsCharter Member · 958 postsJun 23, 2003 9:10 PM

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The local news said........"UP TO 70 MPH".....That doesn't mean it was actually doing 70 when the lumber flew.I'm sure that happened on the fairly long downgrade from Pomona to the west end of City of Industry, where the line basically levels out into Montebello, Commerce, and East Los Angeles.In other words, the train did have a little time to drop some speed on the level stretch, about six miles or so.

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