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I read somewhere that The owners of the Union Pacific and Great Northern RRs actually joined up for a while. Is this true? If so, why didnt it last?My new e-mail is Arcanine241@yahoo.com premium add-ons
Actually, it was more like the Union Pacific, Great Northern, and Southern Pacific were all controlled for a while by the same person - E.H Harrimann. Dan
E.H. Harriman never controlled the Great Northern, that was part of the Hill empire and James Hill was a massive thorn in Harriman's side. The Harriman roads were Southern Pacific, Union Pacific, Chicago and Alton, and I do believe Illinois Central was part of the Harriman empire at least they had equipment built to Harriman Specs. Hill's empire consisted primarily of Northen Pacific and Great Northern. These two roads in turn each held fifty percent ownership of the Chicago Burlington and Quincy, and the Spokane Portland and Seattle. At one point in time between the two world wars (I can't remember the exact year) Hill tried to merge the seperate companies into one big railroad but was told by the regulating authority (was it the ICC then or something else?) that he could merge the GN, NP and SP&S but he would have to drop the CB&Q for the merger to work, that would loose the Chicago connection and as the Empire Builder himself put it "You don't have a railroad if you don't have terminals." Eventually in 1970 these roads would finally be allow to merge and form the core of the Burlington Northern. Now why Hariman's empire was broken up while Hill's wasn't I don't know, maybe it was because both the Milwauke and the UP also served the Chicago-Portland/Seattle market providing competition to Hill's empire. Anyways that's enough history for one day.
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I got so busy replying to the other post that I forgot about the origional question. They never did join up Harriman and Hill being bitter rivals they were constantly trying to block each others moves, sort of like playing Tic Tac Toe with trains. In the instance of the Valley Trunk Line part of the GN running from the Columbia River to Bend, Ore the two men did agree to bury the hatchet and cooperate even to the point of sharing joint trackage. There are some other instances of the UP and a Hill line cooperating such as the Camas Prarie a logging road that was jointly owned by the UP and the NP. Ok now I'm going to go for good
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I know this is NOT what you asked In the 1880's and 1890's the Union Pacific owened what became the Colorado and Southern.http://groups.msn.com/MSTSNarrowGauge Jonathan Lewis jonathanmlewis@msn.com Building NG route from Ouray,Co to Pacerville, Co. Track laying complete. Now doing river, road and forest placing. Overall 60% complete.Also building Cripple Creek line and other RR's around Gold Hill route.
