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cyberjimMember since Dec-1-02 · 34 posts

I stumbled across this photo some time ago and have never seen a loco of this type before. I hace been railfanning for 35 years and have never seen this beast before. Have you?? Curious to see replies. Thanks, CyberJim

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RE: What type of engine is this?? See Pic, kevarc, Jan-25-03, 01:53 AM, (1) RE: What type of engine is this?? See Pic, KeltikSylk, Jan-25-03, 03:48 PM, (2) RE: What type of engine is this?? See Pic, Magick_maker, Jan-25-03, 05:57 PM, (3) RE: What type of engine is this?? See Pic, KeltikSylk, Jan-25-03, 07:35 PM, (4) RE: What type of engine is this?? See Pic, GMOF3A, Jan-25-03, 09:20 PM, (5) RE: What type of engine is this?? See Pic, cyberjim, Jan-25-03, 11:18 PM, (6) RE: What type of engine is this?? See Pic, kevarc, Jan-25-03, 11:35 PM, (7) RE: What type of engine is this?? See Pic, GMOF3A, Jan-26-03, 00:31 AM, (8) RE: What type of engine is this?? See Pic, kevarc, Jan-26-03, 00:51 AM, (9) RE: What type of engine is this?? See Pic, GMOF3A, Jan-26-03, 01:24 AM, (10) RE: What type of engine is this?? See Pic, cyberjim, Jan-26-03, 02:11 AM, (11) RE: What type of engine is this?? See Pic, kevarc, Jan-26-03, 02:19 AM, (12) RE: What type of engine is this?? See Pic, cyberjim, Jan-26-03, 02:29 AM, (13) RE: What type of engine is this?? See Pic, kevarc, Jan-26-03, 10:57 AM, (19) RE: What type of engine is this?? See Pic, VanGo, Jan-26-03, 04:43 AM, (14) RE: What type of engine is this?? See Pic, Shepley1935, Jan-26-03, 07:14 AM, (15) RE: What type of engine is this?? See Pic, VanGo, Jan-26-03, 08:36 AM, (16) RE: What type of engine is this?? See Pic, GMOF3A, Jan-26-03, 09:12 AM, (17) RE: What type of engine is this?? See Pic, GMOF3A, Jan-26-03, 10:43 AM, (18) RE: What type of engine is this?? See Pic, kevarc, Jan-26-03, 11:02 AM, (20) RE: What type of engine is this?? See Pic, Shepley1935, Jan-26-03, 11:02 AM, (21) RE: What type of engine is this?? See Pic, GMOF3A, Jan-26-03, 01:12 PM, (22) RE: What type of engine is this?? See Pic, kevarc, Jan-26-03, 01:50 PM, (23) RE: What type of engine is this?? See Pic, Magick_maker, Jan-26-03, 02:01 PM, (24) RE: What type of engine is this?? See Pic, GMOF3A, Jan-26-03, 11:15 PM, (25)

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kevarcCharter Member · 3101 posts

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It was a Diesel engine built by Ingall's Shipyard in Pascagoula, MS. Only a couple were built. The disgnation was 4-S. It was equiped with a 8 cylinder Superior Diesel (1500Hp). After WW2 Ingall's tried to get into the engine business, did not work out. They offered 6 different models.Kevin Arceneaux
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KeltikSylkCharter Member · 400 posts

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Where is that Fowler fellow...I thought his GM&O sensors would be going off by now.Thanks for the background info. I wonder if their boats looked similar?Could make a great model. Maybe some developer will take a shot at it. (I wanted to say that before Paul got the chance)What type of engine is this? See Pic – image 3

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KeltikSylkCharter Member · 400 posts

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You know you're right. I never looked closely enough. It's a lot like the BL-2 in general layout. See how that rear hood slopes out of the way at the sides...I'll bet there's windows in the cab rear.Six different models?...Wonder where I can get more info?What type of engine is this? See Pic – image 4

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GMOF3ACharter Member · 662 posts

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LAST EDITED ON Jan-25-03 AT 09:29 PM (EST)

Yep..that's the Ingalls allright...what a beasty! That's the only one ever built...GM&O scrapped that bad boy...but not sure when..
If ya want to know all about it...try an E-mail to the address at www.gmohs.org ...those fellers know all about that rascal...
Thanks Frank...I missed this one...p.

Paul...
www.mstsgmo.com

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kevarcCharter Member · 3101 posts

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The information I have it went to EMD as a trade in.Kevin Arceneaux
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GMOF3ACharter Member · 662 posts

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Well..guess I'd better get my facts straight..the "beast" was traded to EMD...after no one would take it at scrap price...even a couple of museums refused it..(hehehe)BTW..it was an official "Ingalls Ship-building Company 4-S" demonstrator, built in 1946 and traded in to EMD in 1966 so it had 20 happy years on the GM&O in the south....(it never made it up this way that I know of..) The only one ever built. Originally numbered GM&O 1500 in red and maroon, re-painted to GM&O red and changed to GM&O 1900.The only reason GM&O had this thing was to keep the major GM&O shipper "Ingalls" happy. This according to Dick Wallin of GM&OHS.
There..that's a Frank Musick version of the "Beasty"..hehehe

Paul...
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kevarcCharter Member · 3101 posts

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They would have had a hard time serving Ingall's. The closest they got was Mobile. The Ingall's yard was served by the L&N. I lived in Pascagoula.Kevin Arceneaux
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GMOF3ACharter Member · 662 posts

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Hummm..that's interesting...because the GM&O had a yard at the shipbuilders, The 4-S photos are taken in that yard. The GM&O had a branch line to Ingalls. It ran from Evanston to Pascagoula, and that line was maintained just for the shipbuilder...so I don't know where your getting your info.

Paul...
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cyberjimMember since Dec-1-02 · 34 posts

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Hey Paul, Thanks for background on this engine. You too Kevin. Paul, I checked out your website. Very nice. Any chance we might see this Ingalls beasty in MSTS someday?? Being the only 4-S ever built is pretty unique. See my other post of another weird unique engine that I have no clue what it is. Take care and Thank You all, Jim

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kevarcCharter Member · 3101 posts

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LAST EDITED ON Jan-26-03 AT 02:20 AM (EST)

How about I lived there? From 1969-1975 and the L&N and Miss Connecting were it. They served Shipyards in Mobile.Kevin Arceneaux
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cyberjimMember since Dec-1-02 · 34 posts

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Kevin, Did you ever see this engine in person?? If so, did it sound unique or just a usual deisel sounding loco. I might take a stab at trying to model this engine in 3DCanvas for the hell of it. I'm progressing on my U50C fairly well. May try this one too. Check the other what is this loco thread also. Jim

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kevarcCharter Member · 3101 posts

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No it was gone long before I moved there.Kevin Arceneaux
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Shepley1935Member since Dec-28-02 · 72 posts

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I spent 3 years building railroad covered hopper cars at Ingals East Bank facility in Pascagoula. My Inspectors dealt with the L&N RR on a daily basis. The Mississippi Connecting was originally the Mississippi
Eastern (1929) that ran from Pascagoula north to Evanston where it connected with the Gulf Mobile and Northern. In 1938 the GM&N and the Mobile and Ohio merged to become the GM&O. Both roads ran into Mobile, Alabama. Neither railroad ever owned track into Pascagoula! Putting aside your stupid remark about what Kevin knows or doesn't know he is correct in his statement regarding the railroads that serviced Pascagoula!

Don Shepley-Chicago
"Professional Curmudgeon"

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GMOF3ACharter Member · 662 posts

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I'm not trying to differ with you Don...but I have Dick Wallin's GM&O color pictorial. It shows the Ingalls from what I'm told in that shipyard trackage. The GM&O historical society is the best resource for an answer here. www.gmohs.orgThe GM&O System map does show the GM&O owned branch into Pascagoula. There was a small shared yard there. Ingalls was a major player in shipments over the GM&O. That branchline was kept for that very reason.>Putting aside your stupid remark about what Kevin knows or doesn't >know he is correct in his statement regarding the railroads that >serviced Pascagoula!I have nothing to do with that. I do not feel it is correct to cut anyone down...I just try to display factual information where possible, much like you Don.

His map is correct..I have a different map that shows the line plainly, plus the informaton from from the GM&OHS, one member who still lives in Pascagoula, I don't think they made that up.EDIT: I have placed a question or two to the experts over at the GM&OHS...I'll come back with their answers as I get them. (just to clear the air, so to speak)

Paul...
www.mstsgmo.com

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GMOF3ACharter Member · 662 posts

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<<<The GM&O branch from Evanston to Pascagoula, Was that in fact a
bonified GM&O line?>>>>Evanston to Pascagoula was not a GM&O line. It was owned by the >Mississippi
>Export RR, a company in which the GM&O had approximately 25% >ownership.Don..your on the mark as usual..I'm wrong...by 75% that is.. lol.
(at least I got 25% of it right...hehehe)
More to come..soon..P.

Paul...
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kevarcCharter Member · 3101 posts

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LAST EDITED ON Jan-26-03 AT 11:13 AM (EST)

Paul, I wasn't trying to start anything. Just when I lived there I got to know some of the L&N people and those of the MS Export and I never heard any of them talk about servicing the East Bank yard.Thank you for digging out the correct information.Kevin Arceneaux
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Shepley1935Member since Dec-28-02 · 72 posts

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Paul,It is not a question of being right or wrong it is a question of doing research as you well know. I was irritated by a message that defamed Kevin and thats why I responded.Thanks for you help in getting the facts correct. Best Regards,

Don Shepley-Chicago
"Professional Curmudgeon"

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kevarcCharter Member · 3101 posts

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If we did we all are in the wrong line of work. But, in the end, it all works out.Kevin Arceneaux
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Magick_makerMember since Nov-18-02 · 309 posts

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On another note, I can see why that thing wouldn't be popular.Looking closely at the picture I could see a problem with the visiblity. While your crew is up above everything and frontal visiblity would be GREAT, your rear visib would definatly be a problem. First, you'd have to look over that long rear hood. that in itself would be a problem, but easily solvable with a good crew on the ground.Second, you'd have smoke coming out of the exhaust to deal with, which if the wind shifted and that thing burped, you'd get a nice fog bank across your windshield.Ok. Nit picking aside, I wonder what its preformance was like. I assume it was a freight engine, given its lack of care. (dirt and such on the body)

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GMOF3ACharter Member · 662 posts

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I really don't know..but looking at it closely..are those Hi-adheasion trucks?..if so..I'm sure it was an ok switcher..but bad on the road..it really looks like it would ride rough...

Paul...
www.mstsgmo.com

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