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In the days when cabooses were still used regularly, how or who would remove the caboose from the train when it arrived at a yard. Would the road crew set it out somewhere, or would they just leave it with the train and let the yard crews deal with it?Too young to know,
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When I was a young fireman a yard switch engine and crew removed the caboose and put it on the caboose storage track. In those days the caboose was assigned to a conductor. On the Santa Fe there were four changes between Chicago Corwith yard and Kansas City Argentine yard.

Don Shepley-Chicago

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Don...refresh my memory..what railroads did you say you worked for up there?........You know..we've got to get you into route building..I still need someone to build from Glen Yard to Joliet...

Paul...
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Santa Fe old Illinois Division Chicago to Ft Madison, Iowa including the Streater Branch down to Pekin, IL and the North Shore from Chicago to Milwaukee! From these roads I got into private car building and worked in that area from 1963 to 1998 when I retired.
I don't live that far from the old Glen Yard and have ridden the old GM&O many times from Chicago to St. Louis! As you know, the Santa Fe and the GM&O had joint trackage rights from Joliet to Peqout and I saw a lot of GM&O equipment! Have a good weekend!

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Thanks guys. I've been playing Yard Duty, and I wasn't sure how this was done. I want to operate prototypically!By the way, those photos are awesome. Post some more if you have any... Question: In the photo, are they putting cabooses on multiple trains or, would they push around a string of cabooses even when they were only attaching one to a train?

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To answer your question about the photos I posted (response #3), there are a couple of possible answers. In the first photo, they are heading into the caboose track with the cabooses, as can be seen by the man at the switch leading into the caboose track. Most likely scenario is that they picked up those cabooses from the inbound yard, pulled east to cross over to the outbound yard, and are now backing down the east end of the outbound yard and into the caboose track.Here's a photo of the pickup from the inbound yard. This NW-2 #504 will head over to the caboose track with the cabooses from inbound trains. The caboose track can be seen in the distance (above the switcher), over on the outbound side of the yard. The Conrail caboose is from a transfer run.
Cicero, Illinois, August 1980
Caboose Operations question – image 8The transfer cabooses will be set out on a track separate from the home road cabooses. The home road cabooses will be cleaned, stocked, and serviced and made ready for the next assignment. The track in the foreground leads to the RIP (Repair In Place) track, which is where rail cars found to be defective will be spotted for repairs.
Cicero, Illinois, May 1980
Caboose Operations question – image 9In the second photo of response #3, they have pulled clear of the caboose track, and are now backing down to tack the caboose to an outbound train. In this case, they would take all the cabooses in between with them, drop off the caboose assigned to that train, then pull up and back to drop off the cabooses that were not needed. I'm not sure how that particular caboose was assigned to that train. It was most likely the next out.Here's photo of a caboose being tacked onto the rear of an outbound train. This switcher first coupled onto the cabooses, pulled back onto east end of the outbound yard, shoved forward to couple on to half the train, backed up with half the train and cabooses, shoved all of this onto the front half of the train, which was on the next track over (the train was too long to fit on one outbound track). Then he backed up with all but the last caboose, and shoved them back on to the caboose track.
Cicero, Illinois, August 1979
Caboose Operations question – image 10Some cabooses were stenciled for a particular service. At one time, this had been a Pool caboose (Note the P on the cupola). Now it is assigned to Local Service.
Eola, Illinois, October 1980
Caboose Operations question – image 11A large P painted on the caboose indicates that it was a Pool caboose, that is, it could travel to another railroad.
On the caboose track at Cicero, Illinois, October, 1980
Caboose Operations question – image 12As Don said in response #1, cabooses were originally assigned to a specific conductor. Here's an example of a waycar (as cabooses were called on the CB&Q, C&NW and a few other railroads) assigned to a conductor, on a train with an unassigned waycar ahead of it This train is the CGI (Chicago - Grand Island), which was a run-though train on the CB&Q and UP. This train also shared locomotives. It started at Cicero, will run to Galesburg (about 160 miles) where the crew with change. A Galesburg yard engine will remove the red waycar and the hopper.
Naperville, Illinois, Feb. 6, 1965
Caboose Operations question – image 13Then there's the case of too many cabooses. When the caboose tracks were full, the BN would hump the cabooses with the inbound train that they came in on, and send them down to an unused track. This would happen mostly to the transfer cabooses, since they didn't need to be serviced anyway.
Cicero, Illinois, Sept. 27, 1986
Caboose Operations question – image 14This picture is just for amusement. It's on the caboose track. At least they got the windows clean.
Cicero, Illinois, October 1979
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as a side not to the above operations, I once read a description of Rock Island operations that was rather interesting....It said that west bound Chi-Denver trains were broken down and re-assembled in Goodland Kansas --blocked for final destinations... in Goodland they would make the first block of the train out of DRGW bound cars - add a Caboose to it, then add a second block of cars w/ caboose that were destined for RI-Denver customers. Then they would add a third block of cars w/ caboose for RI-ColoradoSprings bound cars. Then as the train went west, it first got to Limon....the last string of cars was cut from the train and sent to the springs....the main 'remaining' train would then head to Denver (UP track rights), where it would pull the pin for the RI cars...then the remainder of the train would go to DRGW north yard....a process I would like to have observed....has anyone else heard of this?
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Never heard of that, but I did hear about the Rocky Mountain Rocket operation, which was similiar. The Rock Island had two EMD E-7 B units custom built with only one diesel engine and generator, and a baggage section where the other power plant nornally would have been. Leaving Chicago, the train would be assembled normally (an E-7 A unit leading, followed by the 1000hp B unit). At Limon, Colorado, the train would be split into two trains, one going to Denver, the other going to Colorado Springs. The B unit would power the Colorado Springs train. The process was reversed eastbound.Here's a photo of one of the B units, after the addition of a second power plant in the baggage section, and conversion to HEP to power commuter trains.
47th Street, Chicago, IL March 28, 1965

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(i don't know if you were being serious or jsut joking) But I'm sure thats an Aero passenger car because it says Rock Island on it.Caboose Operations question – image 20The arrow and bars shall return!Firm beleaver in Ceo David Gunn (Amtrak)

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Joking ...from what I recall they were rebuildt aluminum busses put on RR trucks, as an articulated unit, and used as a passenger train... in Chi-commuter service ... have also heard that they rode like they had square wheels.
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