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century242Charter Member · 438 posts

LAST EDITED ON Oct-29-02 AT 10:37 PM (EST)

I was driving around today as usual and came across this engine in the middle of a consist in SP's(oh sorry, UP's) Roseville Yard.
The reporting marks say the engine belongs to Bruggere and Monson and the engine # is 621. Does anyone know who is Bruggere and Monson? I have done a quick search for the last half hour or so and have come up with nothing. Also my little diesel spotters guide does not seem to have an engine that matches this one, unless it is on one of the pages that became stuck together after the soda fell over when I hit a bump in the road. I was thinking it looked similar to a TR or a NW3, but not really on the other hand.
"Keep on Trucking by Train"Erik Pierson
Sacramento, Ca
www.sacramentolocomotiveworks.comBringing 1940s Southern Pacific to the digital age.

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IdahojeffCharter Member · 177 posts

RE: Here is an Engine You Don't See Much

The cab, frame, and everything below is most definately Baldwin. The hood looks mostly EMD so.. I'd have to say another homebuilt hybrid. Very ineresting loco.Jeff

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MrFuzzumsCharter Member · 110 posts

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LAST EDITED ON Oct-29-02 AT 11:18 PM (EST)


I agree, it also looks to me like a custom rebuild attempt at mating the hood and engine from an EMD switcher to a Baldwin switcher cab and frame. The shape of the cab and what I can see of the windows on the rear suggest a Baldwin, but the big clue is the piece that curves from the bottom of the front of the cab to the beginning of the step and walkway--very Baldwin. Also, the EMD part of the hood looks like it was grafted on at the expense of walkway room--it looks like there's no wiggle room at all to get past that part of the hood. I remember reading about when the Elgin, Joliet, and Eastern rebuilt their Baldwin centercab units with EMD switcher hoods and engines they built the lower part of the EMD hood section inward at the point where it meets the Baldwin frame, and it looks like whoever put together this Frankenstein monster didn't do the same.The idea of mating an EMD engine to a Baldwin frame and traction motors has been done other places too; CNW had some that had a Baldwin frame, traction motors, cab, and short hood, but the long hood and the engine were from a GP7 or 9. I think the Union Railroad around Pittsburgh had something similar too. Not a bad concept--mating the reliable EMD engine with the nearly indestructible Westinghouse traction motors of the Baldwin.Anyhow, that's my semi-educated guess, based on what I can see in the picture. I'll be real curious to see if anyone knows or can find out for sure.Mr. F

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century242Charter Member · 438 posts

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Here is another picture of this unit I got yesterday. The guy who runs the RTS Shops told me he thought this was a Baldwin locomotive that had been rengined with an EMD engine and since the hood would not fit they used an EMD hood as well."Keep on Trucking by Train"Erik Pierson
Sacramento, Ca
www.sacramentolocomotiveworks.comBringing 1940s Southern Pacific to the digital age.

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ssw_96Charter Member · 241 posts

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Looks like a RCL loco to me, but I might be wrong. The name sounds like a shortline, or contract switcher, or something like that.

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ge44tonnerCharter Member · 352 posts

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I did a search myself for the 'Bruggere and Monson', and came up with very little. I did find a photo of another engine with the 'BUGX' reporting mark, this one at Richmond, CA and was formerly the switcher at the DuPont Chemicals plant there. The last letter 'X' tells me that whoever owns this thing is not a railroad, but rather a private owner of some type.
One possible hint as to the mysterious 'Bruggerre' and 'Monson'. There are two individuals in California, named Jim Bruggere and Matt Monson, who purchased several locomotives from the defunct Northwest Pacific and California Central Traction. Maybe these two guys are starting up a locomotive leasing company? Here is an Engine You Don't See Much – image 6

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century242Charter Member · 438 posts

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Oh, I forgot to add that part. Those 2 individuals have been buying old equipment that people do not really want and then they try to lease it. The key here is "want". Apparently most of this equipment is oddball stuff. I was also told that they store/operate out of Willits. I think this is odd because I heard a few months ago that the line is once again closed because the people operating it went out or forced out of business.
"Keep on Trucking by Train"Erik Pierson
Sacramento, Ca
www.sacramentolocomotiveworks.comBringing 1940s Southern Pacific to the digital age.

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I_totally_love_trainsCharter Member · 808 posts

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LAST EDITED ON Nov-03-02 AT 08:06 PM (EST)

I saw one similiar to that when I was in a BNSF Yard in Missouri when me and my Dad were visiting my Uncle that lives in Missouri.century242, in your photos why does the engine have plywood over the windows?Adam-------------------------------Here is an Engine You Don't See Much – image 7Operation Lifesaver Organization -- http://www.oli.org/
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century242Charter Member · 438 posts

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1. I guess someone thought they would make good windows 2. Well someone did not like the windows and broke them out and then the next guy wanted to keep some one out.3. In an educated guess I would say that some vandals broke the windows and the plywood is temporary until the owner can put new ones in. I would not be surprised if UP asked that wood be placed over the windows to keep the bums out."Keep on Trucking by Train"Erik Pierson
Sacramento, Ca
www.sacramentolocomotiveworks.comBringing 1940s Southern Pacific to the digital age.

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I_totally_love_trainsCharter Member · 808 posts

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Aren't train windows thick enough to not break on the event of impact from a vandal (or vandals)?Could plywood be placed on hinges and then have the cab window behind it in this case?Do modern day diesel cab windows have locks from the inside?Is there any signal to give a train crew to open their cab window?Do train crews throw anything out their windows. I didn't see anything in the Altoona Station on my train trip but I saw a NS freight go through and the conductor opened his window part way and then shut it. Maybe he saw me and my Dad and was going to wave to us if we waved first but I thought maybe he threw something out of the window?Adam-------------------------------Here is an Engine You Don't See Much – image 8Operation Lifesaver Organization -- http://www.oli.org/
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