Re: Question by Adam about Chessie System animal

Anyway, RR's, what's the animal or whatever it's supposed to be in the C and the avatar of the guy's CSX signature and avatar earlier in this post? I think it's on the Chessie System Locos.
Adam The "animal" in the Chessie System Logo, is a "Cat sleeping on a pillow."
From What I read about this design when Chessie System started, back in the early 1970's, the "Chessie or Chesure cat" was derived from the Chesapeake & Ohio's famous Sleeping Car service which offered a smooth as a kitten, quiet purring, soft pillow ride in their sleeping cars.
Not sure if I have the wording exactly correct, but it's close.
Hope this info answers your question.Daniel:-)

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From the book, "Chessie The Railroad Kitten", the use of the kitten image dates back to 1933, and is attributed to L. C. Probert, vice-president of the C&O. He was in the process of replacing the C&O's advertising slogan "It's Always Springtime On The C&O" with "Sleep Like A Top", when he spotted a kitten etching in the New York Herald Tribune magazine section. He purchased a copy of the etching for $5.00 and the image was used for the first time in the September 1933 issue of Fortune Magazine to advertise the railroad's new trains, The Fast Flying Virginian and The Sportsman, which offered "Sleep Like A Kitten" air-conditioned service. Within days of the ad's appearance, the railroad received moe than 300 requests for re-prints of the ad, and it was evident that Probert's idea was a sound one on which to base future advertisements.
In 1934, 40,000 calendars were printed featuring the (as yet) un-named kitten. At this point, the railroad purchased the exclusive rights to the image. The name "Chessie" first appeared in the January 1935 public timetable, along with two kittens. In 1937, "Peake, Chessie's Old Man" was introduced, and when duty called, he as sent off to fight in WWII.

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Neat, thanks dudes!Adam-------------------------------Operation Lifesaver Organization -- http://www.oli.org/
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Very awesome info indeed. Too bad I din't get into railroads till the late 90's. I use to live along a old B&O line that ran the Chessie's.ChrisIt's not a game, it's a way of life.

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I live fairly close to the Sandpatch Route, about 50 miles away from itDid CSX ever make their logo like that one guy's signature has with the C?Taking into account what CSX stands for wouldn't CSXT on the locos make more sense?Adam-------------------------------Operation Lifesaver Organization -- http://www.oli.org/
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>> Did CSX ever make their logo like that one guy's signature has with the C?No, the only logo that was ever designed for CSX was a 'C' and a 'S' contorted into the shape of an 'x'. Which is NOT used any more.>>Taking into account what CSX stands for wouldn't CSXT on the locos make more sense?>> CSXT (CSX Transportation) is a subsidiary of CSX Corp. I guess CSX sounds better than CSXT….but keep in mind that only CSX’s engines are marked CSX. The freight cars are marked CSXT.
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In 1963, the C&O acquired controlling interest in the B&O. During the next decade the C&O instituted a gradual integration of the two systems. Soon after the "affiliation" of the two lines (they were never legally "merged" until just before both companies ceased to exist in 1987) and the consolidation of supervisory functions in both Cleveland and Baltimore offices, Howard Skidmore, C&O's vice-president of Public Relations and Passenger Traffic, pointed out that a common marketing name was needed.Creation of an entirely new symbol was rejected because of a tremendous publicity campaign that would have to accompany it. However, one drawback to existing Chessie symbol (kitten) was the fact that it didn't suggest aggressiveness or mobility. One report concluded that, "While the Chessie symbol itself must always be shown in the traditional pose, forceful animation can be associated with it. The Chessie kittens, or other felines pictorially suggestive of competitive spirit and a lithe in and muscular transportation service, can be used".Thus, at an August 15, 1972 meeting, the Ches-C logo was approved which, when combined with a Melior typeface, and a new, bright yellow locomotive paint scheme (which the railroad's Casualty Prevention Department had developed), cost an estimated $800.00 more per locomotive to paint than the previous scheme of blue with simple C&O or B&O letters.On November 1, 1980, the Chessie System was merged with Seaboard Coast Line Industries to form CSX Corporation. Again, to promote a unified appearance, CSX Corporation, which was a holding company for both the Chessie and SCL Industries, became CSX Transportation on July 1, 1986.A note of interest: during the C&O/B&O merger negatiations, "Bessie", the B&O cat, made several appearances in company publications, but didn't last long. The other much more elusive and unknown feline was "Newton", the completely unofficial Norfolk & Western Railway cat, whose drawings made the rounds of the C&O/B&O (and maybe N&W) offices during the merger negotiations of the late 1960's.

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Cool I never saw a Chessie System steam engine!On a steam loco do you gotta step over a gap to get to the tender or is there a ramp?Isn't the top open part of the tender suppposed to be up by the loco?How is the coal from the back of a tender pushed to the front?What's the handles on top the tender for?
Also could someone answer for me why if I run my model HO train clockwise it works fine but not clockwise the cars always uncouple?Adam-------------------------------Operation Lifesaver Organization -- http://www.oli.org/
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>>Cool I never saw a Chessie System steam engine! Chessie System only used a Steam Engine for Passenger Excursions.>>On a steam loco do you got to step over a gap to get to the tender or is there a ramp?There’s a 'ramp' or bridge that closes the gap between the Engine and tender.
>>Isn't the top open part of the tender supposed to be up by the loco?No, I think that the way it's set up is to make it more streamlined and 'pretty'. But I'm not totally sure...hopefully someone with more knowledge can add to this question.>>How is the coal from the back of a tender pushed to the front?
They used to be hand shoveled...but in later years it was automatically 'shoveled' into the engine by something that resembles a screw.....again...I'm not totally sure.
>>Also could someone answer for me why if I run my model HO train clockwise it works fine but not clockwise the cars always uncouple?
Is the engine pushing the cars or pulling them?
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Would that be like a screw that digs and it brings up dirt to the top of the hole as it digs?The model loco engines are pulling the cars, about 20 to 25 cars, most are loaded. It's a very old board too (I'm making a new one for my graduation project).Adam-------------------------------Operation Lifesaver Organization -- http://www.oli.org/
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There is a steel plate, generally connected and hinged to the locomotive, to bridge the gap between the locomotive and the tender. The gentleman in the white hat has his left foot on that plate.
The open part of the tender, the coal bunker, is at the locomotive end of the tender.

The railing around the water section of the tender is a safety railing, sometimes doubling as an electrical conduit for the backup headlight. The fireman is required to walk around on this part of the tender to replenish the water supply. Hopefully, his feet will contact the railing and warn him before he steps off the edge.Yes, the stoker is similar to the screw type post hole digging device that you are familiar with.

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Oh, here I was thinking the whole tender was open, I guess the dome is to keep the water out, huh?Why is the guy in the white looking out ahead?Who's the guy behind in the white?Is the color of the cap back then a way of telling who is who?What do you mean the railing on the tender sometimes acts as electrical conduit? What's the electrical conduit?Adam-------------------------------Operation Lifesaver Organization -- http://www.oli.org/
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LAST EDITED ON Oct-27-02 AT 01:46 PM (EDT)

In answer to your question about the tender, the design of a steam locomotive tender was a collaborative effort between the various railroads' mechanical departments and the locomotive manuacturer. Although several basic designs were offered by the manufacturer, most railroads chose to modify the design to suit their individual needs. Here is a drawing of a PRR tender. I've outlined the coal bunker area in red. Water occupied the rest of the tender. I've drawn green lines approximating the screw of the stoker.
Regarding the electrical conduit question, in order to protect electrical wires from abrasion, they are often encased in pipes. Since hollow pipes can also be used as grab irons and hand rails, they are sometimes used for both purposes. Below is a photograph showing the hand rail along the boiler of a steam locomotive also being used as an electrical conduit, supplying electrical power to the headlight and the class markers.
Regarding the man in the white hat, he is Ross Rowland, the owner of the steam locomotive. I do not know the names of the other people pictured in the cab. A brief history of the locomotive is here:
http://www.steamlocomotive.com/northern/reading/

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>Oh, here I was thinking the whole tender was open, I guess
>the dome is to keep the water out, huh? Yup.Why is the guy in the white looking out ahead? Because he can.>Who's the guy behind in the white? Could be anyone
>Is the color of the cap back then a way of telling who is
>who? No...not to my knowledge.>What do you mean the railing on the tender sometimes acts as
>electrical conduit? What's the electrical conduit? They can act as radio antennas. Similar to those on Penny's E Units.


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But why did Fred say that the fireman better hope his foot comes in contact with them grabirons before he steps off of the tender?Why don't they make trains today with windshield wipers that go from the side and push whatever's on it (such as snow straight off to clear the whole windshield?Do train crews carry ice scrapers/snow brushes in winter?
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>>But why did Fred say that the fireman better hope his foot comes in contact with them grabirons before he steps off of the tender?
Cuz it could be dark out.>>Why don't they make trains today with windshield wipers that go from the side and push whatever's on it (such as snow straight off to clear the whole windshield?To get a wiper that can clear the entire windshield of snow in a few sweeps, you'd need a huge 5-amp motor for each of the wipers. Screw up the wiring on one of them and you're toast.
Trains are rarely inactive long enough for snow to collect on the windshield, whatever does is light enough to be swept off by a standard wiper.>>Do train crews carry ice scrapers/snow brushes in winter?Yep. At least the crews up here do..Small shovels too, to clear off the steps, walkways and nose during blizzards.

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I sure miss chasin' The Cat!

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Didn't the fireman carry a latern?Are today's cab seats basically like the ones on the Chessie System Steam Loco above, the handrest is right beside the window or practically on the window frame?Putting window visors down, does that help aerodynamics to the train because most diesels I see behind the lead loco have their visors down?Do all weather windows open?Thank You in advance for answersAdam-------------------------------Operation Lifesaver Organization -- http://www.oli.org/
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>Didn't the fireman carry a latern? Yup.....flash lights today.>Are today's cab seats basically like the ones on the Chessie
>System Steam Loco above, the handrest is right beside the
>window or practically on the window frame? I dont fully understand what you're asking.
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LAST EDITED ON Oct-28-02 AT 01:16 PM (EDT)

Adam, imagine for a moment that you are a fireman on a steam locomotive in the 1930's. One of your duties is to replenish the water supply in the tender. Your train arrives at a desolate location (meaning, no lights), and there is a water tower. It's night, it's snowing, and the top of the tender is covered with ice. You are fortunate that the engineer that you're working with today is familiar with this location, and can stop his locomotive at the proper spot. Otherwise, you would have to get on top of the tender and signal him when to stop the train to be aligned properly with the water spout. Worse case scenario, the brakeman would have to uncouple the locomotive, move forward to the water spout, then you would fill the tender. Then the locomotive would back up, re-couple, and pump the brakes off.The railroad has given you a kerosene lantern to help you see what you're doing. You climb down out of the warm cab, walk to the rear of the tender, put your arm through the loop handle on the lantern, climb up the ladder to the top of the tender and open the lid on the tender. You inch your way (carefully) to the edge of the tender and grope around in the darkness to grab the water spout, which has a chain or rope attached. You pull it down, push the spout down into the tender, grab another chain on the spout and pull on it to open the valve, which allows water to flow into the tender. This will take some time, depending on how much water you need, and the level of water in the tower, which will determine the flow rate (water pressure). If you happen to slip while you are in this wet, cold, slippery, dark, environment, you will appreciate that tiny little railing at the edge of the tender. Oh, be sure not to overfill the tender, or you will have wet feet to contend with as well.
As for the armrest, it is hinged. It can be swung away from the window ledge, along the inside cab wall, to allow the window to be closed.

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It's a pussycat.

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It's a pussycat.
What the heck is that supposed to mean?Will it hurt (besides your feet) to overfill the tender?Can water towers ever be out of water?I saw watertowers in screenshots of MSTS that are just a couple of spouts sticking out of the ground off of a rod I think. Is the water underground?Adam-------------------------------Operation Lifesaver Organization -- http://www.oli.org/
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