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LAST EDITED ON Sep-16-02 AT 10:07 AM (EDT)

Is something you do outside of your usual occupation you do for pleasure. I'd forgotten that. Nels reminded me of that in an email. I think a lot of us need to be reminded of that. This is a hobby and this is a hobby forum. Not that its a hobby but that its for pleasure. Yeah we enjoy it, but oh lordy, all the stress that has been added to it by ourselves. By wanting things now, by getting upset because some object, train, wagon, route wasn't done and available when we wanted it to be. The posts of "vaporware" that have been made. A hobby is something you do in your spare time, it's not your main occupation. Sometimes with a hobby, you can set it aside for weeks, even months because of other hobbies or life in general. I've been online since 1992-93. For a year or so it was just to get information for things for classes. Then I got interested in roleplaying, a hobby chosen more because I could write stories with other people interactively. Words are my thing, nothing is so enticing to me as the written word. I'll read anything once, even twice. I'm not good at nintendo/atari/playstation type games because I'm bipolar and something about the visuals can send me into a manic. Possibly because of the games I chose, Phoenix (my favorite), Asteroids, Centipede, etc. When we got train simulator, I stayed away from it at first, I love trains, but I knew in the past what games tended to do to me. You learn the triggers and you avoid them. Like certain foods setting off allergies. I saw Darkfyre/Troy one day simming. He had taken in several SD40s and hauling a whole lot of cars. I stood at the doorway watching him, then I moved closer. This was not what I thought it was. This didn't have the type of graphics that sent me into a manic, and this was a train, oh a train. I could hear the sim sounds softly, and the sounds of the train yard out back clearly. As I got nearer, he turned his head towards me and grinned, "Wanna see me crash?" I wasn't sure about that, then he unhooked the cars, took the lead engine up a hill quite a ways and then put it in reverse with sanding on and came down hill (he was in Marias Pass) and slammed into them. I just stood there blinking ~chuckle~ I was disappointed watching him because I didn't see any other trains going. He opened an activity and then I was happier and sat watching him sim. Then he went into Test Track and took a Dash 9 out and it went flying off the end of the track. He was clearly more than just enjoying it, the very real pleasure and the way it relaxed him was all over his face and in the way he was sitting, his body language. He left to go to a friends and I sat down. I used the steam tutorial, which I wasn't too satisfied with. There weren't too many steam engines on here, I took out the Scotsman. I was in heaven ~chuckle~ when he came home five hours later, I was still in Marias Pass exploring. It was a week before I took out a diesel. I had an odd thought it would be more complicated than steam and I was very comfortable with steam. I did the tutorial and sat here thinking "Is that it?" It was nearly two months before I came near the forums. I tried to stay clear of them because they were Darkfyre's. I didn't want to make him uncomfortable. He convinced me to join.The friend who got him into train simming, he had told Darkfyre that he ran trains online with other simmers, that a dispatcher had made him wait for another train to go through and he had to sit there for hours. That he'd taken the train out in the rain and crashed, there were flames everywhere and they had to bring cranes in the put the cars back on the tracks... Well, what he said wasn't making sense, I never saw that in train sim when Darkfyre crashed trains. Darkfyre went to msn where he said he ran trains interactively with other simmers, he spent several days there trying to get answers. He went all over the web to different places the friend told him that he simmed interactively with others. As you know, its not possible with the way MSTS is set up. A bit later Sea View came out. I was in love with that route, still am. The very real pleasure I get from taking trains and even helicopters out in Sea View is incredible. I was telling the friend about it one day. He said that he had the route and loved to take trains across the lava. I thought he meant the track near the lava, the bridge, but no he meant on the lava, through it. He said there was a way to take a train right across it and through it. I sat thinking to myself that about the only way that would happen was with invisible track. I was getting a kick out of him back tracking to cover himself when I'd point out that it couldn't be done any other way. The man is knowledgeable about trains, though, perhaps not about train sim's capabilities, but he certainly knows trains. He ended up fixing the airport in Marias Pass, put planes in the air, fixed textures, etc, then going into NEC and making it like NEC looked in the early 1970s, he had some problems with doing them. Darkfyre and I helped him with some things. But I noticed we were all getting tense and stressed.The pleasure was less than the stress. There has been pleasure, but not relaxing pleasure for the most part until I started doing a few things for Bill's SV route. I started to relax doing those things. I first started with 3ds max, I was starting to get a bit of it and did a simple iceberg. I couldn't get the "viewable distance" set or figure out how to set it. I heard good things about TSM and tried it, so much easier to understand, I just found it difficult to do some of the things I'd done in 3ds max. That was okay, I could apply textures so much easier in it. The joy was coming back, the very real pleasure. I didn't even mind that the route I wanted to make wasn't being done. It will be when I get all the objects needed for it made, but now I'm in no real rush about any of it. I am simply going to enjoy the things I like doing now with train sim and when it gets frustrating turn off the computer, do something else that relaxes me and come back to try again and if I still have problems, ask in the forums.
I still would like to see a forum that has nothing to do with train sim or railroading, either here or somewhere else but connected to train-sim.com. This is a hobby forum, not a news forum, a book forum, a remembrance forum, or any other kind of forum. This is about a hobby, a specific hobby. And it should be an enjoyable place to come, it's not up to Nels, Brian, JC or any other moderator to make it that, it's up to all of us to make sure it stays like that. We are responsible for our own posts and our own behavior.Now that I've gone long winded, bored the hell out of anyone reading this and had you wondering what the hell I was getting at, look at the top line and remember, it's a hobby... for pleasure...

"When you are with me I'm free
I'm careless, I believe
Above all the others we'll fly
This brings tears to my eyes
My Sacrifice"
--Creed

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Hi DR,Actually, in my case you are wrong, it is not a hobby. It is my life at this point. I can't work because of all of my medical problems, especially my newest one. For me it is therapy. It gets me through each day and I don't know how I would get along without it. It helps me tremendously.
But you are correct, it is a hobby for most people, and as such what you say makes a lot of sense. But for people like me, and there are a few of us, it is more serious than that and therefore I act accordingly. If I sometimes get upset by a post, or by something that is done here, or having my posts removed for no apparant reason, then that is because someone is messing with my life.
I take what I do here very seriously. And I guess that isn't the case for most here. It obviously isn't. So with that in mind, please accept my posts in the vein that this is my life at the moment. I get very upset by those who make this a big joke. I probably shouldn't but I do. I spend hours working on a reskin or on my route, and this is my time, my world, so to speak. And someone who comes in and makes fun of it or is rude and offensive then they are stepping on my toes. And I don't like my toes being stepped on.
I understand that all of this is my problem to deal with and I am trying but sometimes I feel I have had enough of these people so I tell them so. Anyway, I could go on, but this is not about me, this was your post. I apologize for sounding off on it. But really DR, what you say makes a lot of sense, but just remember for some of us it is much more than a hobby. And I hope Nels realizes that too.......TimA Hobby – image 4
The Spur Line
http://tahunter.net
Appalachia RR - Midwest & Rocky Mountain RR - ADFRR Route

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Tim, I know that it is more than just a hobby for you and for others. I didn't mean to detract from that for a second. The point was it should be pleasurable, when it starts not being that, then there is a problem. People who are rude, make fun of other people's work, and being offensive should have those posts removed, they should be given warnings. They are not just stepping on your toes, they are stepping on everyone's toes.As for your posts being removed, there might be something in the thread that caused the thread to be removed, a trend that seemed to be leading towards flaming among other things and it may not have had anything to do with your particular post. I don't know if the DC Forum set up can do individual post deletions. I have had several forums by different programmers, some could, some couldn't. In some, I could lock out replies, delete the body of the message and state below it why it had been deleted. That is also time consuming and gets weary after awhile. Since there are more Moderators than Nels, he may not have been the one that deleted it. I would first write an email to Nels and find out about it. I do know what its like to get fed up and finally tell someone off over posts. I did that with Kevin. I think the thread got deleted. I've done it with others, tried to keep my tone civil, my words civil and that's hard to do at times. Don't worry about sounding off after my post hell, two people read it, I'm way ahead of the usual.By the way can you drop me a line in email? When I reformatted the computer, I lost all my email addresses.~DR


"When you are with me I'm free
I'm careless, I believe
Above all the others we'll fly
This brings tears to my eyes
My Sacrifice"--Creed


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Hi DR,Oh, I know why the thread was removed. I don't have a problem with it being removed. It should have been, but I would like Brian or Nels or JC to put a little note in my box saying that the post was removed for x reason. I don't think that is asking too much, especially if I didn't violate the rules. As I stated in the other thread about this, I think it is a matter of common courtesy to notify the non-responsible parties of the reason for its removal. Well, anyway, this subject is now getting old and worn out so I will drop it as nothing is going to come of it anyway.Again thank you for your post, it is well said. Just remember that for some of us, this is our only outlet to sanity.I'll email you later on this evening. Just hope I have your email. I think I do but if not will let you know.Take care......TimA Hobby – image 6
The Spur Line
http://tahunter.net
Appalachia RR - Midwest & Rocky Mountain RR - ADFRR Route

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Hi DR...Great post. I also consider it a hobby and do get pretty upset when the sim is bad mouthed or someone doesen't like what someone did. I think that the rules Nels came out with are good. Anyway, it is good to know that someone else feels the same way I do. Thanks again.Art

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Member since Jun-27-02 · 79 posts

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Very well said....unfortunately though you are probably 'preaching to the choir' so to speak. Those of us who agree will just go on being nice and trying to enjoy this forum.There will be those however who will take the 'how dare you' attitude and continue being difficult and abrasive.There are very few folks on this forum whose posts get my complete attention, yours are a part of the group. They always seem well thought out and well spoken when posted.

Jim

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Thank you, all of you...
I rarely post such types of posts anymore. No one responds, very few read them, so why waste my time? I don't want to feel like the "Mommy" of the forum, hell, I raised my son, I'm not about to try to raise nearly 7,000 others among who should know how to behave towards others. I don't need that stress ~chuckle~
Anyway, thank you, its nice to know I was 'heard' even by only a few.

"When you are with me I'm free
I'm careless, I believe
Above all the others we'll fly
This brings tears to my eyes
My Sacrifice"--Creed


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Member since Sep-8-02 · 18 posts

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DR: Could you please email me...I would like to talk to you about something...Nothing bad but something needs to be clarified...ThanksBridget Rosh (Railgirl)

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Left you a pm with it, hon. I can't get the email thingy here to work. My email is saeren@prexar.com


"When you are with me I'm free
I'm careless, I believe
Above all the others we'll fly
This brings tears to my eyes
My Sacrifice"
--Creed


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LAST EDITED ON Sep-18-02 AT 01:05 PM (EDT)

Hi DR,First off, a reply to your comment about nobody reading your E-mail. That's not true. Like someone said further up, there are a few people here who I will read regardless of the subject, just because of some reason or other (and others I won't read as well.) Snipe is one as he always has something interesting to say and I love his sense of humor. Also Fozzy, as I almost always learn something from listening to him. And you, because I like the way you think, the way you put your thoughts on "paper", and your insights. Yeah, I'm aware that I have been remiss in not answering back - for a number of reasons - oops, make that excuses. I guess what I'm trying to say here is that just because you don't get replies doesn't mean that people don't read your words of wit and/or wisdom, and don't get something from them. Everybody is important here, and we all have something of value to offer.OK, that said, the real reason I answered this is to complement you on this post and to tell you that I think you brought up something that needed saying. This is a hobby. This is fun, entertainment, enjoyment, relaxation, a pastime. I'm an electrical engineer in a high tech manufacturing company and I spend the days fighting deadlines, schedules, problems, and stress. For a good many years I'd come home at night and I wouldn't want to even see another computer screen. Then, last year my wife bought me MSTS and told me to quit being so up-tight and to see if I could lower my blood pressure by playing with trains. Unlike you, I started with diesels because I didn't know diddley about steam and was intimidated by all the levers and handles in a steam cab.To me this is pure joy. In all honestly, I don't even run the activities. I make my own consists, run them on "Explore the Route" and grin from ear to ear just watching them. I try to set up realistic screen shots and experiment so I can get ones good enough to post here. Haven't quite gotten there yet, but I'm still trying.To me this is a stress reliever. I like trains and I like watching them. I doubt if I'll ever get into route creation and I'm darn sure I'll never ever come up with anything like Fozzy's awesome K-36's. I can live with that. To me, there's a fine line between a hobby and work, and I don't want this to cross over to the dark side.Thanks for posting this thread, Rose. It needed to be said.Larry

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