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The new version of 3D Canvas... V3.7 now includes specular lighting in the exporter!!! Brilliant!!..... There is now no other software that even comes close to what 3DCanvas can do with ease!It also includes a flight simulator exporter as well as the train simulator one! so you can build models for that as well.Check it out at the Amabilis Web Site: http://www.amabilis.comBest Regards,
Julian (Fozzy The Bear)

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I think you meant to say version 5.7. All the new features are great news!troub
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troub
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OK, but will it stop crashing the computer with the latest Radeon or GeForce Drivers, I downloaded the demo, and it actually caused my computer to Shutdown! It's a known problem in the FAQ's.Robert

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It will probably stop crashing when you stop using the latest (in my case...Nvidia) drivers. That's been my experience.Mine is rock solid on a previous driver version... If I install that latest Nvidia Detonator drivers... It's unstable.Just my 2 cents...

Pete Willard

Pete Willard
http://www.trainsimstuff.com

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>
>It will probably stop crashing when
>you stop using the latest
>(in my case...Nvidia) drivers. That's
>been my experience. First off yes I meant 5.7 oops typo...... Secondly I agree about drivers. A lot of things are unstable under the latest driver sets. The best of the bunch is still the the 27.42 Geforce Detonator Drivers. You can get em from http://www.Guru3d.com also grab the detonator destroyer while you're there to get rid of the drivers you're using now first! otherwise they won't install properly. Best Regards,
Julian (Fozzy The Bear)

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Secondly I agree about drivers. A lot of things are unstable under the latest driver sets. The best of the bunch is still the the 27.42 Geforce Detonator Drivers.I tried free edition of 3DC way before there even was version 27+ of Geforce drivers. The drivers i had were WHQL certified, rock-stable and certainly not a beta release.With those drivers, 3DCanvas was the only program (3d or otherwise) i found capable of crashing win2k so hard it'd actually shutdown...without even an error screen. It'd do it as soon as you tried to access material editor, IIRC.For what's worth, 3DC would operate properly under the same version of the drivers in win98 se.

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>With those drivers, 3DCanvas was the
>only program (3d or otherwise)
>i found capable of crashing
>win2k so hard it'd actually
>shutdown...without even an error screen. That's because win2000 (otherwise known as windows NT) Isn't built to run DirectX Canvas uses the DirectX API.... So it's hardly surprising that it crashed it out.Best Regards,
Julian (Fozzy The Bear)

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That's because win2000 (otherwise known as windows NT) Isn't built to run DirectX Canvas uses the DirectX API.... So it's hardly surprising that it crashed it out.Well, seeing how i can download both user and developer editions of latest DirectX for Win2k, i'll have to disagree with this. Also, seeing how many other programs and games i have tried were using DirectX, and operated perfectly stable under this OS... i'll have to put the blame for crashes on the way 3DC is coded, rather than any other system component. Especially since 3DC performed some test of graphics system abilities when it was installed, and seemed to be satisfied with the results...

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I'm using Windows 2000 with DirectX and 3DCanvas (and a GeForce card *gasp*) with no problems!troub
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>That's because win2000 (otherwise known as
>windows NT) Isn't built to
>run DirectX Canvas uses the
>DirectX API.... So it's hardly
>surprising that it crashed it
>out. Windows NT has been using DirectX since NT4sp3. Both Windows 2000 and Windows XP (NT 5.0 and NT 5.1) run DirectX apps just as fine as do Win98 and WinMe. So you're wrong about W2K not running DirectX apps.And 3D Canvas crashed my machine too.....

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LAST EDITED ON Jun-21-02 AT 01:25 PM (EDT)Hey Rob,
Isn't it about time you break down and start using it? I've been using 3dCanvas under Nvidia drivers on the Ti-500 with not one problem at all. I have had my upgraded system now for a little over a month and 3dC hasn't crashed more than 1 or 2 times. And, when it has, I've had 3dCanvas, PSP7, Eudora, and Internet Explorer running, and the issue was "not enough system memory. close some programs and reopen 3dCanvas" And all that was due to lots of stuff on the PSP clipboard (in memory).Out of curiosity, how do I know what version of nVidia driver I'm using? "Under System Properties" and "Driver File Details" it says nVidia Corp... File version: 4.13.01.2832. Is that it? Is it the last part of the version number (2832)? There is also a date of 3-9-02. BTW, I'm still running Windows 98 SE. It works for me.Thanks guys,
Mike
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NORFOLK & WESTERN
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>File version: 4.13.01.2832. Is
>that it? YUP!! That's version 28.32.... Strange you're doing OK with that set, they caused me nightmares.Best Regards,
Julian (Fozzy The Bear)

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Exactly the same here (I swap between Win98 and XP)Steady as a rock.

Pete Willard

Pete Willard
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A small point: An application program can't actually crash Windows 2000/XP. That's the beauty of a protected OS like 2000/XP: You only have to worry about the OS itself (and in Windows 2000/XP's case the video card drivers).As far as I know the latest NVIDIA drivers are OK, but the latest ATI drivers are going into an "infinite loop" (according to ATI) which causes the reboot. Hopefully they will decide to fix them one of these days, but fortunately the "old" drivers that do work are only a few months "old".Richard

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A small point: An application program can't actually crash Windows 2000/XP. That's the beauty of a protected OS like 2000/XP: You only have to worry about the OS itself (and in
Windows 2000/XP's case the video card drivers).Let me rephrase then: 3DC was (still is?) the only program i've found able to confuse nvidia's official and certified graphics drivers so hard, it'd cause the whole OS to reboot on regular basis. Not that it makes a difference from end-user's point of view.

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>Let me rephrase then: 3DC was
>(still is?) the only program
>i've found able to confuse
>nvidia's official and certified graphics
>drivers so hard, it'd cause
>the whole OS to reboot
>on regular basis. Not
>that it makes a difference
>from end-user's point of view.
> Well actually Quake and Unreal Tournament do it as well on Win2000.... But like you said, Blue screen of death is not an uncommon occourance on win2000.... I saw it last week at my local railway station when all the destination boards turned a lovely shade of Microstuffed Blue in the middle of the afternoon and were like that for over an hour!! LOLBest Regards,
Julian (Fozzy The Bear)

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>Let me rephrase then: 3DC was
>(still is?) the only program
>i've found able to confuse
>nvidia's official and certified graphics
>drivers so hard, it'd cause
>the whole OS to reboot
>on regular basis. Not
>that it makes a difference
>from end-user's point of view.
> 3DC doesn't do anything out of the ordinary to "confuse" the drivers. Just standard DirectX/API calls. But it uses a lot of 3D viewports which I would guess is fairly uncommon for Direct3D app. The frustrating part for me (the developer) is that though 3DC has had roughly a quarter million downloads, NVIDIA and ATI still do not bother to test it with their latest drivers and will not accept Amabilis as a "registered developer".Richard

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LAST EDITED ON Jun-21-02 AT 04:33 PM (EDT)3DC doesn't do anything out of the ordinary to "confuse" the drivers. Just standard DirectX/API calls. But it uses a lot of 3D viewports which I would guess is fairly uncommon for Direct3D app.Hmm possibly... the only other similar programs i use in DirectX mode are 3ds Max and gMax.. since they don't seem to like OpenGL support provided by nvidia drivers... and while they don't cause the system to reboot, they quit often enough on their own.I don't suppose information the crashing seems to be somehow connected with 3DC's material tab would help to find some workaround for it?...

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>I don't suppose information the crashing
>seems to be somehow connected
>with 3DC's material tab would
>help to find some workaround
>for it?... With the NVIDIA drivers there was a specific DirectX call that failed. One that I am certain would not be used by MAX/gmax-it works a bit differently. The nature of this particular DirectX call was that there was no work-around. Believe me I looked . But things are better now. Fortunately I came across someone who had a friend at NVIDIA and they seem to have got together to fix the NVIDIA issue. No such luck with ATI. But eventually they will get to it.Richard

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>I came across someone who
>had a friend at NVIDIA
>and they seem to have
>got together to fix the
>NVIDIA issue. No such luck
>with ATI. But eventually they
>will get to it.
>
>Richard Well that's good news anyway Richard!! But I do have one question for you..... Can we please please please have the Flat Wireframe mode back!! This Flat Outline mode is not of much use at all.... By all means leave that in but please put Flat Wireframe back in as well. Simply because it's great for aligning components in relation to each other... Now I'm having to go into wireframe mode to do it and that's really dificult to see what's going on when it's a complex mesh. Flat wireframe was great for that.Best Regards,
Julian (Fozzy The Bear)

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You're wish is my command. I've added it back in for 5.7a.Richard
PS You probably will find that you will like the Solid Outline mode after you get used to it and find uses for it.

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>You're wish is my command. I've
>added it back in for
>5.7a.
>
>Richard
>PS You probably will find that
>you will like the Solid
>Outline mode after you get
>used to it and find
>uses for it. Thanks Richard.... This is part of what makes your software so damned good... you listen to the end users! And I agree completely about the new mode being useful, I just today found a good reason for using it.... It's great for helping to find orphan points.Very Best Regards,
Julian (Fozzy The Bear)

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Richard, I upgraded to 5.7 (LP version) last night. I'm now getting strange effects with the paintbrush (i.e. apply material to face). if I use it to apply a graphic (BMP or TGA) to a non-vertical face, it appears skewed (tilted to the right slightly when viewed from the front). Image is cropped and "size to fit" is selected. Sometimes the cropped area is not correctly applied also (height and width seem wrong). However, if I select the face then use the "apply material" tool it works correctly.Thanks, Jimi

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Oddly, accessing the materials editor in Gmax can also cause Gmax to crash in certain cases !.Michael

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>Oddly, accessing the materials editor in Gmax can also cause
>Gmax to crash in certain cases !. Good point!! Best Regards,
Julian (Fozzy The Bear)

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It's against my better judgement, but....I'm downloading it now.

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I tried using something called Ge Force tweak (or something like that!!!). 3dc seemed to work ok, crashed very seldom, but it made my MSTS look crappy. I tried to revert to a previous condition with no luck, so it looks like a reinstall of video drivers, TSM, 3DC, MSTS, the works!!! I felt I was better off leaving things alone. Also a question--is flightsim support a plugin or does it appear in export only on 5.7a or is it in 5.7? I'm not sure I installed the program correctly?Dave

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Flightsim export is available on the right mouse click pop-up menu. Stew

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LAST EDITED ON Jun-27-02 AT 04:50 PM (EDT)

Dave...>I tried using something called Ge Force tweak (or something
>like that!!!). That's an extremely dangerous utility if you don't understand exactly what it is that you're doing with it... It's very very easy to actually fry the chips on your video card with it... My advice to anybody who even thinks about overclocking and tweaking like this is to leave well alone... unless you really do know what you're doing! >I tried to revert to a
>previous condition with no luck, so it looks like a
>reinstall of video drivers, TSM, 3DC, MSTS, the works!!! OOOooops!!! There's another good reason not to do it, unless you do know what you're doing.BTW Stew is right! Flight sim export is a matter of selecting the hierarchy and than using a right click to go to export.Best Regards,
Julian (Fozzy The Bear)

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JulianGood advice. Anyway, I downloaded detonator 29.80. I running my card on a windows XP system. So far everything seems to be working fine. Maybe I just haven't reached the DirectX call that will crash my system. Hope I never do!!! Thanks for your help.Dave

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Hi Dave,>Anyway, I downloaded detonator 29.80. Ouch... They always gave me problems.. But to be honest I don't run them on XP so that may well be the difference.. Good luck! >Thanks for your help.No Probs!! Best Regards,
Julian (Fozzy The Bear)

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