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Hey, all. I am sure that this has been asked plenty of times, but after much thurough searching, I could not find an answer. Is it possible to remove the "Ran Red Light" notice from an activity? Thanks.






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Hi,Yes, it has. But the answer is still no.
There are two types of signals:
- absolute
- permissiveIf you ran through an absolute red signal without asking permission, you get a penalty.
You can only run through permissive signals without asking permission.A permissive signal is in MSTS a signal with a number plate. Not in real world however!Dick van den Hoven

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Ah. Thanks a lot!






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In Canada in the CROR rule book, block and interlocking signals always have a number plate for location identification, but the indication comes from whether the signal lights are in-line or staggared. Two or more red lights straight up and down is STOP, wile a single red light or two red lights staggared is a stop and proceed, or if there is a "R" placcard on the signal mast it would be a Restricting signal.
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Ernie

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Thanks Dick, I didn't know that either !What would we do without guys like you ! CHEERS, O t t o.

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Dick:
I beg to differ. On any US railroads with which I am familiar, a number plate DOES designate a permissive signal. And that's the real world truth....Maintainer

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It depends on the railroad.Kevin Arceneaux
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LAST EDITED ON Mar-24-03 AT 12:54 PM (EDT)

Hi,Oh, oh, I didn't express myself well. What I didn't mean to say that in real world permissive signals doesn't have a number plate.What my purpose was, was to say that in real world absolute signals have a numberplate or some other identification mark too.Here in the Netherlands all signals does have a number. The permissive signals does have an extra plate with the character P on it. Yes the P from permissive.So in my opinion MSTS is somewhat shortcutted by putting a number plate as identification for permissive/absolute.Dick van den Hoven

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I worked on the Southern railway (US) for 30 years and we used the number plate to indicate a permissive signal. The absolute signals did not have any number or letter plate but did have a single red light underneath the working head. It was called a marker light. I don't think the Feds would let us put a plate or something on a signal, IF the absense of the plate would make the signal indication less restricting. If the number plate would fall off (or be stolen off)of a permissive signal, it would make the red aspect MORE restricting (STOP). That is considered fail-safe. If the defining plate were on an absolute signal, and the plate fell off, the signal would become permissive which is less restrictive and presumably would be unsafe.The signal you show would fall well under these guidelines as the letter "P" serves the same purpose as the milepost number we use on our railroad. You just have a number on all signals which has no affect on the nature of the signal the way I see it. It's not a bad idea in my opinion.Maintainer

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I'm not sure if this answerers the original question, but I get very frustrated by red signals refusing to clear, and then it's game over man, game over.On most routes I therefore edit the sigscr.dat file so that all the signals are green .I can then explore the whole route if manual switches are provided.The downside is that it is not possible to run AI trains.The one exception, of course, is Sniper's PO&N. Wish I knew his secrets ... .Phil Skene

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Hi,Well, in the past Sniper has explained his secrets very clear in the Route Building forum.The main trick is to use permissive signals in stead of absolute signals. When you look at the PO&N, you will see that many signals have a numberplate.Dick van den Hoven

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>>> On most routes I therefore edit the sigscr.dat file so that all the signals are green .<<< If you run "Explore route" that's exactly what you get, without having to edit anything. You can also throw automatic switches, and do not meet any other traffic.The main problem I've seen with red signals is meets that fail to work. Cajon Pass is famous for these, though they may have fixed the problem in the last update. Other than that, my experience is that if it's red, and "Bill" says permission denied, there is a good reason.

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Hi,Thanks for this reaction. Never too old to learn something. I know the fail-safe principle but never thought of it in conjunction with a number plate.Dick van den Hoven

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Dick -On the subject of signals, do you know if train order signals are available?I wanted to add them to the Bear Mountain Pass v2 route that I uploaded on Sunday, but could not find them in the file library.Phil

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Hi,I knew there was a Train Order Signal and I found it.
Search for hoopstnd.zipDick van den Hoven

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One of the easiest ways to eliminate the "gone through a red signal" penalty is to go into the sigcfg file and set all the "Speed 0 MPH" entries to something other than 0. The 0 MPH limit is found in the definitions for absolute signal heads. And that would be any definition that DOES NOT have the Signal Flag ( ABS ) in it.Of course, red signals are there for a reason, namely, the route the signal controls has been given over to another train or an unfavorable switch condition.So if running the red signal doesn't get you, one of the conditions the signal tried to protect you from will.Hank

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Well, everything is a learning experience when it comes to this simulator. Should have tried my suggestion first.The above will work only if you change the aspect token "STOP" to "STOP_AND_PROCEED." You also need to change the "STOP" to "STOP_AND_PROCEED" in the sigscr file as well where it deals with the head in question. Then you can set the speed to some non 0 value.The protection comment I made still holds. Even in Sniper's ingenious PO&N with non-absolute signals for players at interlockings, measured caution is needed or the roof falls in.....Hank

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"or the roof falls in", is right, Hank, after a two month layoff due to my computer being down I finally got back to playing trainsim last weekend, and promptly had two head-ons with AI traffic on the PO&N6.
Haven't talked to you for a while, I had about half the signals stripped out of PO&N7 before my computer died, but haven't gotten back to it yet. Are you still working on it from your end? If so, I'll quit until you send me what you got, no sense in both of us manually removing all them signals.As for the question of how the current setup is done:http://www.train-sim.com/cgi/dcforum/dcboard.cgi?az=show_thread&om=3073&forum=DCForumID6&archive=yes http://www.train-sim.com/cgi/dcforum/dcboard.cgi?az=show_thread&om=3909&forum=DCForumID6&archive=yeshttp://www.train-sim.com/cgi/dcforum/dcboard.cgi?az=show_thread&om=11521&forum=DCForumID3There's also a new developement over in the Activity Design forum regarding reversing points to get AI trains to act sensibly, haven't tried it yet myself:http://www.train-sim.com/dcforum/DCForumID7/1534.html

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Sorry to keep asking questions, but this is the kind of post I don't understand at all. I thought the point of train-simming is running a train realistically, so why would you want to go through a red light? Are the red lights not realistic? Should I just try to take them all out? Annabelle

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You are right of course, Annabelle, but there are some of us who like to take Railroading Rules Liberties now and then, SNIPER is a prominent example, he likes the challenge ! No, but seriously, I think it goes back to the fact that running a RED in an Avtivity usually is the end of that drive, annoying me and many others.It's not real either. Have you ever heard of a Train Driver getting chucked out his Cab because he has passed a Red Signal, the Brakes having been applied for him by a Fail-Safe device ? Could have prevented a few accidents in the past ! Usual slams his brakes on after getting an "Alert" and backs up his train ?What KUJY / MSTS should do is to issue an ALERT, stop the train where it is and give the driver a chance to mend his ways rather than just "Ending" the Activity ! I also build "Permissive" Signals into my Test Routes to allow Loops and my Player Unit to share the same path as the AI trains. More challenging and FUN experimenting !O t t o

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OK, I understand. Since my trains run so slow they're practically stopped anyway I've never had a problem. Though I am getting faster around the Ohio with my Cotton Belt. I'm waiting awhile with my steam trains because even with automatic fireman on he goes on breaks or something. He probably knows I'm not really in control and can do whatever he likes.Annabelle

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Hi,Annabelle, sometimes, you need to drive through red.
EG, when you want to enter an occupied siding to pick up cars. You ask the dispatcher for permission and you will get permission to drive through red.
An other examples are helper engines that come from a helper siding and go behind a train. They need to have permission to get through red.
And the signalling system can have some troubles, causing the signals staying red. Another reason to go with permission and with much caution through red.Dick van den Hoven

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