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zachattackMember since Oct-11-02 · 695 postsFeb 26, 2003 11:52 PM

How can i do this to my trains?
Zach, future Trinity Railway engineer(I'm only eleven)
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somonenamedchrisMember since Apr-8-03 · 52 postsFeb 26, 2003 11:55 PM

RE: realistic smoke

it is some ACE file in the global folder I think it is smokemain. you need an ace viewer like TGA tool 2 to view it and a prog like paint to edit it. I made red smoke, but the steam effects use the same file so now the steam was red!

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zachattackMember since Oct-11-02 · 695 postsFeb 27, 2003 12:19 AM

RE: realistic smoke

Wherecan I get TGA tool 2?
Zach, future Trinity Railway engineer(I'm only eleven)
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HACCharter Member · 1304 postsFeb 27, 2003 12:37 AM

RE: realistic smoke

If you don't mind waiting, NALW is releasing a simliar smoke fix in the UP Megapack update coming soon...Cheers
HAC

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zachattackMember since Oct-11-02 · 695 postsFeb 27, 2003 12:52 AM

RE: realistic smoke

Oh, I don't mind wating, I just want to do it to my own locos, and I'm not quite sure how to do it.
Zach, future Trinity Railway engineer(I'm only eleven)
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somonenamedchrisMember since Apr-8-03 · 52 postsFeb 27, 2003 1:24 AM

RE: realistic smoke

get it at http://www.mnwright.btinternet.co.uk/index.htm

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JonatanCharter Member · 812 postsFeb 27, 2003 6:50 AM

RE: realistic smoke

What! Is NALW doing cool smoke too! *waits*/Jonatan Steam rules! Realistic smoke – image 9

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cn_bayviewCharter Member · 1130 postsFeb 28, 2003 1:39 AM

RE: realistic smoke

IS this posible for diesel locos as well?

Rob.
Mile 21.0 CN Oakville Sub.

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HACCharter Member · 1304 postsFeb 28, 2003 1:40 AM

RE: realistic smoke

not really, KUJU treats the diesel textures somewhat differently. I am still trying to see what can be done, though to get more realistic
diesel smoke..
I'm trying, honest!Cheers
HAC

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GrizzlyBearCharter Member · 2 postsFeb 27, 2003 11:16 PM

RE: realistic smoke

Hey guys
Just to let you know, I've been beta testing HAC's new smoke effect, and I can assure you, you will LOVE IT! He did an outstanding job on these smoke textures, they will be well worth waiting for. Also, when you replace the default smoke textures with the new ones, all your locos will have it since the smoke textures are a common file.Grizzly Realistic smoke – image 11 Realistic smoke – image 12

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HACCharter Member · 1304 postsFeb 28, 2003 12:03 AM

RE: realistic smoke

Thanks Griz.. I think I owe you a bacth file to swith from wood to coal smoke.. Haven't forgotten, I'll run it up this weekend..cheers
HAC

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BNSF4723Charter Member · 939 postsFeb 28, 2003 12:52 AM

RE: realistic smoke

So Harold? Think ya could whip up a couple of screenshots of the smoke in action? Looks Like a Pony Realistic smoke – image 13 RUNS LIKE A STALLION

September 11th, 2001: I stand united! Peace to those who perished... R.I.P

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HACCharter Member · 1304 postsFeb 28, 2003 1:19 AM

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LAST EDITED ON Feb-27-03 AT 08:21 PM (EDT)

Couple quickies.. I'm in diagnostic and backup mode right now, got a failing 30GB drive..thankfully, caught it early , and its under warranty. Gotta love server diagnostics and fast high capacity tape drives...

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wdq4587Member since Apr-5-03 · 167 postsFeb 28, 2003 2:13 AM

RE: realistic smoke

These smoke is too thick.

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TedBCharter Member · 324 postsFeb 28, 2003 2:20 AM

RE: realistic smoke

Ingrate! Don't use it on YOUR engine.Good show, HAC.Ted

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HACCharter Member · 1304 postsFeb 28, 2003 2:36 AM

RE: realistic smoke

The "thickness" as you call it, is not a function of the smoke texture. It is caused by the engine file settings relating to stack effects and smoke/pound of fuel burned. The smoke column in the pictures shown is generated using the latest beta test of the Challenger engine files. I have some work to do yet on the visual effects settings. This one look any better?Cheers
Harold

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wdq4587Member since Apr-5-03 · 167 postsFeb 28, 2003 3:02 AM

RE: realistic smoke

The black one is still thick or too black?
White one looks good!I guess why I feel thick is in your texture, color (or bright) difference is not as much as TA's one. Light from different angle let smoke show different bright. Different bright let smoke seen more 3 dimension. The original one of MSTS have enough bright difference but is not smooth.To TedBI don't care what you say. I am giving suggestion not complaint.
You don't like hear, don't hear.

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HACCharter Member · 1304 postsFeb 28, 2003 3:07 AM

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same texture for both the white and black ones.. I'll have a look at the alpha channel and see if it can be tweaked. Still, the texture is sampled from photos taken in October 2002..(CP2816)Thanks for the comments
HAC

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zachattackMember since Oct-11-02 · 695 postsFeb 28, 2003 3:46 AM

RE: realistic smoke

So what do I do to change this?
-->Zach Lybrand<--
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11 year old train-simmer
FWWRR enthusiast

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soonerMember since Jul-2-02 · 737 postsFeb 28, 2003 3:52 AM

RE: realistic smoke

So Harold, will your technique be adaptable to diesels, to produce an obviously scantier, but more realistic exhaust? Hey, I just this week got around to downloading your Canadian trainset, and it's still a winner!

bud

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HACCharter Member · 1304 postsFeb 28, 2003 4:03 AM

RE: realistic smoke

I'm playing with diesel smoke as we speak..files you need to tweak are in GLOBAL/TEXTURES and are smokemain.ace for steamers and dieselsmoke.ace for diesel..Glad you like the Canadian..
Cheers
Harold

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adambCharter Member · 437 postsFeb 28, 2003 5:10 AM

RE: realistic smoke

PERFECTION!!!!!!!!!
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AdamB
In Texas we just pickup roadkill. Saves on refrigeration. YEE HAW!!! - Bentron

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JonatanCharter Member · 812 postsFeb 28, 2003 6:34 AM

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Looks great! But you should remember, if you want the old smoke back have that .ace file as a backup, I know I will (for safety incase things screw up.) That engine looks mighty fine. /JonatanSteam rules! Realistic smoke – image 24

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LocoRoCharter Member · 685 postsFeb 28, 2003 2:29 PM

RE: realistic smoke

lmao
This smoke ace stuffy is funny Realistic smoke – image 25 Realistic smoke – image 26 Greetings Roland
Netherlands
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IcyFireCharter Member · 2050 postsMar 1, 2003 12:51 AM

RE: realistic smoke

LMAO!!!!

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Derby415Charter Member · 239 postsFeb 28, 2003 3:37 PM

RE: realistic smoke

Looks Great HAC! So Realistic Too!

Thanks,
Jim
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LocoRoCharter Member · 685 postsFeb 28, 2003 8:36 PM

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.. and how is this ?? Realistic smoke – image 31 Realistic smoke – image 32 Greetings Roland
Netherlands
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GrizzlyBearCharter Member · 2 postsFeb 28, 2003 10:24 PM

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Am I seeing things Harold, or is that really a CP Royal Hudson you got yourself there?Grizzly Realistic smoke – image 34 Realistic smoke – image 35

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HACCharter Member · 1304 postsMar 1, 2003 12:45 AM

RE: realistic smoke

who me? (well, yes, sort of, I'm beta testing and tweaking)
Is this any better for smoke? I tweaked the alpha channel..

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MusicmanMember since Sep-13-02 · 163 postsMar 1, 2003 1:43 AM

RE: realistic smoke

Who said some of those had too much smoke? I like em all! Can't wait.
Check out this smoke. Too much smoke. Ha!

Joe

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GrizzlyBearCharter Member · 2 postsMar 1, 2003 2:25 AM

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Just my opinion Harold, but I like the your original one (the one you sent me) the best. I think the extra "thickness" is what really makes it stand out. It seems when it looks a little "thinner" it loses some of its cool "billowy" effect, which I really like, especially when she's working a grade or big train.Grizz Realistic smoke – image 39 Realistic smoke – image 40

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wdq4587Member since Apr-5-03 · 167 postsMar 3, 2003 2:16 AM

RE: realistic smoke

Well, I change my opinion. I not mean thick. I mean 3D look like.
And see picture posted by Musicman. It's more thick. But more 3D look like. And black and gray contrast is more than screenshot above.And for diesel smoke, I found it's difficult see smoke in many photos. Any one can post some?

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HACCharter Member · 1304 postsMar 3, 2003 3:09 AM

RE: realistic smoke

True 3d look is difficult with MSTS as the smoke shape the texture is applied to is basically flat. Cheers
HAC

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MusicmanMember since Sep-13-02 · 163 postsMar 3, 2003 11:22 PM

RE: realistic smoke

Heck. I've been playing with this stuff too, just to see what I can get out of it.

Joe

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zachattackMember since Oct-11-02 · 695 postsMar 4, 2003 3:01 AM

RE: realistic smoke

Can I have step-by-step instructions on how to do this properly? I'm a newbie to editing engines.
-->Zach Lybrand<--
11 year old train-simmer
FWWRR enthusiast

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GrizzlyBearCharter Member · 2 postsMar 4, 2003 5:12 AM

RE: realistic smoke

LAST EDITED ON Mar-04-03 AT 00:17 AM (EDT)

Hey Zach
It doesn't really have anything to do with editing engine files, that only controls the amount of smoke and it's direction. Getting this effect is done by retexturing the smoke source texture file. If you go into your MSTS folder, you'll find another folder named GLOBAL. Open GLOBAL and you'll find another folder named TEXTURES. Open this, and inside there is a texture file named smokemain.ace . This is the steam engine smoke texture. You can convert this to a bmp or tga using TGATool, and start skinning using whatever graphics program you use. Make sure if you play around with it, you back up the default! I tried working with this file some time ago trying to make convincing looking wood smoke for wood burners, so I can tell you that retexturing it and making it look good, at least in my experience, is NOT easy. Harold has done a great job with it though, and I can tell you as a beta tester the new textures will be worth the wait. Grizz Realistic smoke – image 43 Realistic smoke – image 44

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TraindudeCharter Member · 20 postsMar 8, 2003 12:52 AM

RE: realistic smoke

Nice smoke mod! All it needs now is a name...

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