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I have just uploaded V1.1 of Train StoreThis version works with Windows XP and has small updates to the user interface and the documentation.My apologies to those of you who had problems with the initial version on windows XP.
I would like to thank everyone for their comments and encouragement particularly those who have helped with reports and diagnostics about the problems caused when running Train Store V1.0 on Windows XP and Windows 2000, amongst others - AlexHall, buttercup, downside, dgauci, heffed, jcnighs, Main Lines, MikeSimpson and sixman.Thanks
Tony

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Hello Tony,After trying v 1.0 on my W2K system, I followed your instructions to restore all routes and consists and uninstalled the program. I then encountered numerous errors when I started MSTS.I used Route Control (which wouldn't start with anything less than the default installation routes present due to them being stored in Train Store)to check things out and found that there were numerous consists missing. Not all, by any means, were missing - but a bunch that were connected to the default routes.Have you any idea what I failed to do properly that resulted in this situation?I will try V 1.1 because, now that I know that I have to leave the default routes alone to use Train Store, your idea is such a great one.Thanks.Jon

Jon

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Jon,I think that if you used the Unstore everything! facility, that was affected by the same problem in V1.0, and it did not restore everything. If you move the folders that were left, by hand to your MSTS installation everything should be OK.You do not have to leave the default Routes 'In Use'.Train Store itself, does not care whether any/all of the Routes are stored or not. MSTS, if there are no Routes at all available, will start, but you can't select anything. It works quite happily, as long as one Route, which doesn't have to be a default Route is present.
Tony

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Thanks for your explanation, Tony. Actually, I mistyped the issue: Tain Store works - Route Control, however, gave me an error mesage that it could not operate without a "full installation" of MSTS.The two programs are clearly great compliments - Yours speeds things up, while Route Control allows for checking of Activities, consists, etc. Jon.

Jon

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>I will try V 1.1 because, now that I know that I have to
>leave the default routes alone to use Train Store, your idea
>is such a great one. You don't have to leave the default routes alone.You only need to leave these entries in your "fixed objects" list.
Folder: TRAINS\TRAINSET\DEFAULT
File: TRAINS\TRAINSET\DEFAULT\DEFAULT.WAGIf you don't leave them as fixed objects, MSTS will not run.As for MSTS not working after transfering the files back by hand, are you positive you transferred everything back to the proper folders? If you did, I can think of no reason why it didn't work. Train Store doesn't alter anything, it just moves things.-Jeff-Jeff

Union Pacific is my drug.

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Thanks for your comment, Jeff.I really thought I got everything back - obviously, I didn't, since as you point out, moving back and forth should not affect anything.As I say in my response to Tony, Route Control wouldn't run either, so there was obviously something wrong in what I did.I'll download 1.1, go over the instructions again and keep your tip in mind.Thanks again.Jon

Jon

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I've said it before, but KUDOS Tony!Such a great addition to the list of "must have" utilities for MSTS. -Jeff-Jeff

Union Pacific is my drug.

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I have never heard of train store v1.1 What is it. This is the first time that I have ever head of it.

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>I have never heard of train store v1.1 What is it. This is
>the first time that I have ever head of it. Train Store is a utility which will "store" routes from MSTS.What this means, is that you can select routes that you aren't currently using and have this utility move all the required files from your MSTS folder to a storage folder.It will move all rolling stock not referenced by the "active" routes to storage as well.The reason? If you only have 1 or 2 routes active with a slim trainset folder, MSTS loads lightning fast.
-Jeff

Union Pacific is my drug.

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To help clarify a little more about the differences between Train-Store and Route Control, (the other worthwhile route manager.)Train-Store lets you speed up the loading of MSTS and also overcome built-in limitations on the maximum number of installed consists by moving the files around your disk. Very handy and works as advertised. Route Control saves disk space by compressing and storing unused routes until again needed.Train-Store saves some time and works around some limitations, Route Control saves some disk space, they compliment each other.

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I am running XPPro and Train Store v1 OK. Unintentionally, it made a very good job of sorting out what stock was in use and that which was not. It left all the unused ones behind when I did a full restore.Thanks for a very useful bit of kit. v1.1 should be even better.mervyn@madasafish.com

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I thought ver. 1.1 might be in the library by today. Didn't see it yet. I d/led ver.1 last week but never installed it. Glad I waited for I am running on XPHome. This will work with Route Control, right?
Rich

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Hi Rich,I am sorry I can't answer for Route Control, as I haven't used it.All Train Store does is remove files from the MSTS installation that MSTS does not need to run a simulation.It does not make any changes to the contents of files in the MSTS installation.If Route Control does have problems with the optimised MSTS installation, I suggest you use the Train Store Maintenance facility before using Route Control. Once this has been run, then any Routes which are 'In Use' will be complete restored, even though there are files which are unnecessary for MSTS. Alternatively, you could use 'Unstore Everything!' which means the whole MSTS installation would be restored as it was before Train Store used it.I have tried to make sure that Train Store uses the same basis as MSTS for deciding what is needed, and all my testing has been to ensure that when things are stored, MSTS does not have any problems. I have also verified my tests with RouteRiter, and ConBuilder.Thanks
Tony

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It's there now.Bill

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LAST EDITED ON Feb-19-03 AT 09:33 AM (EDT)

hi all
after reading the manual 3 times to make sure i wasn't about to stuff up the 1.1version is a godsend.
msts loads in a fraction of the time
all routes work as per normal
you can have up to 899 cosists per route
what more can i say?
it is brilliant
thanks tony
you have solved a major problem
congratulationsps and i am running xppro

gallop3

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I have downloaded your Train Store but still have no time to take a try.But since you have do so much, may be you have interesting to take a look at this idea:
http://forums.atomic-systems.com/viewtopic.php?t=12533

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You have to do so much?You push a button.-Jeff

Union Pacific is my drug.

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>You have to do so much?
>
>You push a button. Sorry for my pool English. I don't understand what you mean?What I mean is since the author take many times make a utility like this. I mean move consist files and route files. May be he don't mind add some function also move texture files and shape files between routes, that will save many diskspace for addon routes (I guess near 40%). May be he do not have interesting on that. But take a look is nothing bad.

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Tony,
Any tricks to installing ver 1.1 on top of Ver 1.0? Should I unstore all before installing new version? Or just install with most of MSTS routes stored?

Charles

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Tony .. what I have found out about using it with Route Control. RC works fine on mine as long as the RC folder is left unstored. In fact I just used it to check what I had stored/not stored and everything checked out fine. I tried moving the route that was in RC and got the message from RC that 'this appears to be the first time you've used RC' and at that point gracefully bowed out and unstored it.

RobertR .. ADF-M&RM at http://www.adfrr.com

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Thank you Robert for that information. I am sure that will be useful to Route Control users.ThanksTony

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TonyNo, it was not route control, it happened just when I went to store all the routes except Marias Pass 3.1, to play MSTS and then wanted to do some work on the wag/eng files.Realised when they where missing that I had to unstore everything, but all did not come back and as I said as far as I can idnetify the missing ones appear to be those that where not tied to a route or consist.Many people have such folders in their trainset if they have deleted an activity and all consists which are just specific to that activity.My point really Tony is that unless you have some handle on the way the file system works it would be difficult for a novice to suss out what was wrong because each folder has to be checked to see if the eng or wag file has gone. MSTS will give multiple failure messages and as we know will probably not load.In striaght forward downloads this is not so much of a problem but in some cases the downloads include installation bat files, and thus if the user has put this straight into Trainset and most bat files do this automatically and not transferred a copy of that folder to his own storage file, the eng/wag file is gone.Could not the program put back all wag/eng files it has stored originally in the relevant folders irrespective of whether they belong to a consist or not. At the present the program must search
for the folders originally to remove the eng/wag files.Forgot to tell you I am runing windows 2k, no problems with the program actually working just this business with the missing eng/wag files in folders in trainset not assigned to a consist.Best Regards
Robert

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LAST EDITED ON Feb-26-03 AT 10:37 AM (EDT)

Hi RobertI am sorry for this late reply to your query concerning Train Store, but I somehow missed your original post querying how you should handle editing consists etc.If I understand your post, you are asking why Train Store can't put back all of the stock irrespective of whether it has been used by a consist or not?Well, in normal mode where you use Train Store to select a Route or Activity for running, this would slow down MSTS considerably, and there is no need for MSTS to know about these items.But Train Store does specifically provide a Maintenance 'Prepare' function which is to be used before editing Routes and/or Activities. This function restores all of the files that are included in a Route, so it is safe to use Route Editor and Activity editor.In addition there are additional options to this 'Prepare' function that allow for 'All Consists' and 'All Stock' to be Unstored, so that you can use the Consist editor or ConBuilder without needing to worry about items that are 'not there'.The final stage of UnStore is 'Unstore Everything!' This restores everything, and there should be no items left in store after this has been run.Details of these procedures are contained in the Train Store manual.There is no need for for users to check folders. This is what the program does.Version 1.0 of Train Store did have problems with XP (one of the symptoms was that not everything was Unstored as it should have been when using 'Unstore Everything!'). Version 1.1 does not have this problem. (At least, no-one else has reported it yet.)Can I ask you to check that you are using Version 1.1 - as downloaded from here or from uktrainsim.com?If you are using Version 1.1, please can you try the Maintenance 'Prepare' function (with the 'All Stock' option, and also 'Unstore Everything!' and let me know if you still have problems. (Either of these actions should ensure that no stock is left in storage).Once again, apologies for not replying sooner.
Tony

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Hi TonyThanks for the responseI am running version 1.1, and using the maintenance function I do get all the stock back.I think maybe for future release it might be worth putting a warning note in the manual under the "normal" section about this. I had merly clicked the "unstore everything" button in "normal mode" and was thus surprised when the eng and wag files for non consist vehicles did not appear back under trainset.If they all went into store under normal mode why did they not all come back out of store with "unstore everything" under normal mode.I had not realised the necessity for going into maintenance mode to get all those vehicles back that were not yet linked to a consist or activity.Those of us who have been around MSTS for a while now, are able to go and dig around and know what is missing and then go look for it using some kind of file manager, but I was just thinking of a novice or two who might use your program and click the buttons and then not understand why his MSTS starts giving a bunch of error messages.The program you have produced is so good at what it does that I would not like to think of people being put off using it.
One other advantage I have noticed with your program is that once you have got MSTS loaded, the actual activity seems to run better, this may be because when it wants a file or whatever MSTS is only searching a much restricted file list for the item.Best Regards
Robert

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Hi Robert,'Unstore Everything!' is not dependant upon the setting of normal/maintenance. It should do exactly what it says, from whatever state your Routes are in, and irrespective of other settings.I have sent you some more info/request (to your e-mail).Thanks
Tony

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Hi Charles, You can do a straight install (it will overwrite) as long as you use the same folder as you installed V1.0. If you use a different folder the old version will still be on your machine (which isn't a problem in itself) but there are likely to be shortcuts that dangerously point to the old version.Alternatively, you can Uninstall Train Store (use the link from Start/Programs/TrainStore/Uninstall). Then install the new version. This can then be installed in the same (or a different folder) if you want.It would be best to start processing from a completely unstored set of files. If you didn't do this manually before the install, then do an 'UnStore Everything!' to start.ThanksTony

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Tony, I would like to thank you for your time and effort to produce such a useful utility and for resolving the issue for XP users.
Great Job!
Larry

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Tony, Thanks for a great program! Now I can run activities without worrying about too many consists. Great. Thanks. Dwayne

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What a great program!!! I can now start MSTS in a sec. I'm running it on XP with no problems. I have a question; How do I go about changing cars and/or engines in a consist if they don't appear on, say ConBuilder? I know only the needed consists for that activity you're running are visible, but I like to change things. Thanks again.
Mike

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Thanks Mike, I am glad you like it.Concerning adding Consists and Stock, have a look at the section in the manual on Maintenance. Basically you need to use the Maintenance Prepare function to prepare Routes and Stock for editing with the Consist Editor or ConBuilder. There are options to allow you to use All Stock or All Consists if you need.
Tony

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Tony,Thanks for the info. I guess I read through that section a little too fast, I see now how to it, thanks!Mike

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Hello, Hello! Your Train Store Program is wonderful and more than helpful. I have managed to confuse myself though and any help brought here is appreciated in advance. Here’s my problem: Under the Maintenance Tab, there are two check boxes which offer these choices:A "If checked all Consists (and the corresponding stock) will be unstored ready for MSTS Maintenance."andB "If checked all Stock will be unstored together with corresponding Consists ready for MSTS Maintenance."My problem / question is that I am missing the difference. It feels like the difference between 3X2 and 2X3. How is the effect of A different for MSTS Maintenance than choice B?Very respectfullyjivajiva

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If I may take a stab at this, I think I know what it means.>Here’s my problem: Under the Maintenance Tab, there are two
>check boxes which offer these choices:
>
>A "If checked all Consists (and the corresponding
>stock) will be unstored ready for MSTS Maintenance." All of your consists and any rolling stock contained in those consists will be unstored. (Any stored rolling stock not already in a consist will remain stored.)>B "If checked all Stock will be unstored together with
>corresponding Consists ready for MSTS Maintenance." ALL of your rolling stock and their corresponding consists will be unstored. ( With this choice all of rolling stock is unstored even if not used in a consist yet.)

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And to take it just a pace further, as I read it, any consists that have no rolling stock in the Trainset folder will remain behind.If this is correct it's another good way of thinning out unnecessary consists.Bill

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How does one take unstore route control to use,it doesn't show up in the routes file to unstore.Do I have to move route control.The default installation put it in a file called train station.

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I am sorry, but I don't know. I have not used Route Control.There are several posts within this topic though that may help with your question.
Tony

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Ah, So!
Thanks very much!
PS This Train Store program is grrrrreat!
jivajiva

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I've had my raildriver for about a week.
Modest system, 256 M ram on Windows XP home.
I've not observed any stuttering with raildriver that did not exist in the same location on the same routes as when I was running the keyboard. On routes where I didn't have stutter with the keyboard, I don't have stutter with the raildriver.And even on those high graphic routes that did have some stuttering, the raildriver seems to control better than the keyboard.I love mine and wouldn't want to go back to the keyboard.
David

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Ignore the last, it went to the wrong thread for some reason...
Sorry,
David

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Tony, You're a genius. This is the best thing
out so far for MSTS.Thanks very much for sucn a great utility.

Models currently building:
Westrail P Class (GE CM25-8)
Queensland Rail 1300 Class
Queensland Rail Diesel Tilt Train
Tasrail ZC Class
Tasrail Z/ZA/ZB Classes
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TONY an AWESOME JOB.Had a few hick ups at the beginning but THANKS to Bill, worked them out and all it takes is READ THE MANUEL CAREFULLY EVEN TWICE IF YOU HAVE TO.
Great program Tony .....take a bow for yourself.

I use XP and so far NO PROBLEMS.Just Rollin Down The Tracks Dale

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May I just add my gratitude to the long list. The way this program works is simple yet very effective. Up to now I've been renaming the .trk files on routes I don't use but Train Store makes this so effortless and much more powerful.Arise, Sir Tony.

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