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LAST EDITED ON Jul-07-02 AT 10:37 PM (EDT)

Finally after a year here is your opportunity to Evaluate the SCL/CSX A line in Florida for yourself.there is a lot of work to do until the route is complete but rest assured - what you see today is only the beginning.My Thanks to the Entire A Line development team and the Train Sim community!!!!!Take a look in the downloads section of the a line sitehttp://www.calmstorm.com/scl-csx
and Thanks AgainJason

Jason Webb
Http://www.scl-aline.com

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The A Line route Beta is out!!!!!!!!! [View All], CSXALine, 10:34 PM, Jul-07-02, (0) RE: The A Line route Beta is out!!!!!!!!!, flarrfan, Jul-07-02, 10:40 PM, (1) RE: The A Line route Beta is out!!!!!!!!!, CSXALine, Jul-07-02, 10:41 PM, (2) RE: The A Line route Beta is out!!!!!!!!!, dekosoft, Jul-07-02, 10:56 PM, (3) RE: The A Line route Beta is out!!!!!!!!!, CSXALine, Jul-07-02, 11:45 PM, (4) RE: The A Line route Beta is out!!!!!!!!!, Claude350, Jul-08-02, 01:57 AM, (5) RE: The A Line route Beta is out!!!!!!!!!, sooner, Jul-08-02, 02:46 AM, (6) RE: The A Line route Beta is out!!!!!!!!!, CSXALine, Jul-08-02, 05:23 AM, (7) RE: The A Line route Beta is out!!!!!!!!!, deejay1020, Jul-08-02, 05:43 AM, (8) RE: The A Line route Beta is out!!!!!!!!!, Cell0518, Jul-11-02, 03:37 PM, (41) RE: The A Line route Beta is out!!!!!!!!!, sooner, Jul-08-02, 10:47 AM, (10) RE: The A Line route Beta is out!!!!!!!!!, kyleh24, Jul-08-02, 03:54 PM, (17) RE: The A Line route Beta is out!!!!!!!!!, flarrfan, Jul-08-02, 06:37 AM, (9) RE: The A Line route Beta is out!!!!!!!!!, henry3, Jul-08-02, 10:57 AM, (11) RE: The A Line route Beta is out!!!!!!!!!, CSXFan, Jul-08-02, 12:00 PM, (12) RE: The A Line route Beta is out!!!!!!!!!, IcyFire, Jul-08-02, 12:22 PM, (13) RE: The A Line route Beta is out!!!!!!!!!, sooner, Jul-08-02, 12:31 PM, (14) RE: The A Line route Beta is out!!!!!!!!!, flarrfan, Jul-08-02, 03:21 PM, (16) RE: The A Line route Beta is out!!!!!!!!!, sooner, Jul-08-02, 05:15 PM, (21) RE: The A Line route Beta is out!!!!!!!!!, Tree Frog, Jul-08-02, 02:22 PM, (15) RE: The A Line route Beta is out!!!!!!!!!, EngineJoe, Jul-08-02, 04:00 PM, (18) RE: The A Line route Beta is out!!!!!!!!!, harpman, Jul-08-02, 05:05 PM, (19) RE: The A Line route Beta is out!!!!!!!!!, sooner, Jul-08-02, 05:11 PM, (20) RE: The A Line route Beta is out!!!!!!!!!, deejay1020, Jul-08-02, 08:07 PM, (23) RE: The A Line route Beta is out!!!!!!!!!, kyleh24, Jul-08-02, 08:29 PM, (25) RE: The A Line route Beta is out!!!!!!!!!, deejay1020, Jul-08-02, 08:44 PM, (26) RE: The A Line route Beta is out!!!!!!!!!, kyleh24, Jul-08-02, 10:07 PM, (29) RE: The A Line route Beta - a mini review, harpman, Jul-08-02, 08:51 PM, (27) RE: The A Line route Beta - a mini review, CSXALine, Jul-08-02, 09:00 PM, (28) RE: The A Line route Beta - a mini review, EngineJoe, Jul-09-02, 00:30 AM, (31) RE: The A Line route Beta is out!!!!!!!!!, steam4me, Jul-08-02, 08:01 PM, (22) RE: The A Line route Beta is out!!!!!!!!!, CSXALine, Jul-08-02, 08:26 PM, (24) RE: The A Line route Beta is out!!!!!!!!!, Steamman, Jul-08-02, 10:59 PM, (30) RE: The A Line route Beta is out!!!!!!!!!, kyleh24, Jul-09-02, 02:19 AM, (32) RE: The A Line route Beta is out!!!!!!!!!, atsfdude, Jul-09-02, 07:55 AM, (33) RE: The A Line route Beta is out!!!!!!!!!, Claude350, Jul-09-02, 10:40 AM, (34) RE: The A Line route Beta is out!!!!!!!!!, kyleh24, Jul-09-02, 12:15 PM, (35) RE: The A Line route Beta is out!!!!!!!!!, lincolnzoo, Jul-09-02, 12:57 PM, (36) RE: The A Line route Beta is out!!!!!!!!!, stephenburr, Jul-10-02, 03:18 PM, (37) RE: The A Line route Beta is out!!!!!!!!! - some ideas, CSXALine, Jul-10-02, 03:31 PM, (38) RE: The A Line route Beta is out!!!!!!!!! - some ideas, henry3, Jul-10-02, 04:05 PM, (39) RE: The A Line route Beta is out!!!!!!!!! - some ideas, CSXALine, Jul-10-02, 05:09 PM, (40)

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Hoo-ray!!!!!Don't forget your SCL, FLS, SBD and CSX loco downloads from the A-Line site and from http://www.alabamarailfan.com/msts/Activities will be following shortly.

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or the stuff coming fom www.dekosoft.com

Jason Webb
Http://www.scl-aline.com

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Congratulations Jason and A-Line team!I admire this route as a CSX fan, and you can bet we'll be rolling out plenty more equipment to run on it. cheers,
Chip
Dekosoft Trains
http://dekosoft.com/design/msts

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Thanks Chip - The new stuff is absolutely awesome

Jason Webb
Http://www.scl-aline.com

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I've downloaded the route but there are no consist files to run with the activities.Keep getting error messages that are looking for the consist files that aren't there.Didn't know if you were aware of the missing consist files.

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Same here - series of error messages in the editor, such as those you get when you delete a loco and forget to delete a consist containing it; but when you go into consists folder to de-bug, the consists aren't there.Also takes a long time "loading terrain buffers" - advise just be patient, or does this indicate a problem?Finally - "train world initialization failed" error ms., game crashed, and no fun was had.This looks like it's going to be swell when it gets lined out, Jason and gang; been watching your site, downloading equipment and anticipating release; and I'd have e-mailed these gripes instead of posting here but couldn't get your e-mail buttons to work and couldn't find your address.

bud

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dooohhh on the
consist#2 did you run the bat file in the root scl folder per instructions?

Jason Webb
Http://www.scl-aline.com

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Jason-
Other than the missing consist files for the activities included with the route, the only other thing I have noticed is that the route is calling up the commercial sounds, Enhanced Track Audio. It worked fine for me because I have it, but some out there may not have it and I fear it may cause the game to crash? If you can't seem to get the route to load (those out there having problems) try deleting the file "ttype.dat" and renaming "ttype.old" to "ttype.dat" and see if that cures your problems; those that prevent you from running the route after you go through all the missing consist messages. I just went and backed up the activity and service folders and then deleted all files in those folders until we get the consist files that are needed. That way you don't get the error messages each time you try to run the route. Hope this helps out those that may be having problems.
Regards,
Dan Zollner

Courtesy of Amtrak Prototype and Model

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Where did these sounds come from and where are they avaliable? Thanks

Chris
http://Christrainsim.webhop.org
TA, Please Do 611 & 1218.
SUPER CHIEF: *Raton Pass* and N&W Locos
N&W 611, Y6, cars, hoppers, & Cabooses are from www.trainweb.org/railmation/traingif.html

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THAT'S the ticket! Yeah, my problem was not running the bat file. Only thing is, I thought I had run it on install, from a prompt. So on my second attempt I went inside the scl folder, clicked directly on the bat icon and ran it that way - with better results. All and all, it's a pleasure to find an add-on that's this easy to install.Your route has a really nice look - it definitely has personality. It actually looks like a working road. It's the only MSTS route I've seen that has one track crossing another. And there are plenty of y's for turnarounds. I do get an error message, however, even after downloading and installing the separate consists files; it's failed to find sms file
file: raeurotrack0ex.smsAnd John Peterson's U36B looks like it's riding on skis, for some reason.Your A Line route sure doesn't disappoint. Looks like I'll be late to the office . . .

bud

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I get the same error "failed to load raeurotrack0ex.sms" and "failed to load raeurotrack0in.sms". I have searched my hard-drive for these files and I don't have them. Anybody have a solution for us? TIA Kyle

Kyle H

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For anyone who hasn't seen my separate post, here's where to get the missing consist files: http://www.train-sim.com/dcforum/User_files/3d29686c39b383ef.zipJust unzip to your Trains/Consists folder and three A-Line activities should be ready to run.

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Hi Jason!I'm downloading even as I type this message. After reading about this route for the past year (and drooling over the screenshots), and having family in Florida, I've been looking forward to seeing what y'all have produced. Thanks for the update and the preview!Henry

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WAHOOOOO!!!!!!!!!

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about how many miles long is the route?Shawn "Icy-Fire" Kenselaar

Give a railfan a model, He plays MSTS for a day.
Teach a railfan to model, He plays MSTS for a lifetime.

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Yeah, good question - me too. There are mile posts, but they number in the 800's. So they apparently depict real-life mile markers and not distances from one end of the route in the sim.Another question I have is, what percentage of the route do you feel is scenic complete?

bud

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It's about 120 miles, fully signalled from Benson Junction (about 25 miles north of Orlando) to Tampa Union Station, and unsignalled the rest of the way to Port Tampa at the south end of the Interbay Peninsula between Tampa and St. Petersburg. There are still a few areas without scenery, but in the major areas with yards, industries or downtowns and especially around the Orlando-Winter Park-Sanford area there is a lot of scenery, including orange groves, palmetto and pine forests, the St. Johns River, and numerous modeled buildings from the prototype. There will be scenery updates as more buildings on the route are modeled.I will be working on activities for the route over the next several weeks, concentrating on loco downloads available from the A-Line site and from John Peterson's alabamarailfan.com site.

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Thanks for the info on A Line. As is, you get a kind of "oasis" effect between completed sections; but I think you were right to release the Beta. The positive feedback ought to more than compensate for any carping.

bud

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Great news Jason!!I know how long and hard you have worked to make the A Line prototypical.
Don't think there has ever been a route that I have looked forward to as much because of my familiarity with that area. Bill Burnett

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LAST EDITED ON Jul-08-02 AT 04:02 PM (EDT)

I downloaded your route today. It's not bad but I have a few questions. First of all my copy dosn't have mile markers. Am I supposed to have them or will they be included in a further release? Second, I got some error messages saying something to the effect of "Could not find raeurotrack0ex.sms" and "Could not find reaurotrack0in.sms". Where can I get these files? Third, a bunch of tracks in the yards are not named. Is that normal? I installed everything just like the instructions said. I even had to go to the route directory to start the batch file myself.Other than that it's a good route. Now I'm going back to run more trains.Joe

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Same thing here with the error message as you point out something to the effect of "Could not find raeurotrack0ex.sms" and "Could not find reaurotrack0in.sms". "Anyone know where these files are from? Where to get them? They have something to do with sound I think? Isn't that what the .sms files do? Other than that the installer does NOT automatically run the .bat file even though it prompts you if you want to run it....I still had to do it manually. It's the missing files that concern me though...I'd like to know what they're for and whether not having them will crash the game. We all know how much fun that is.bill

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Same/same, bill.

bud

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Go up and read post #8. Your solution is there.Regards,
Dan Zollner

Courtesy of Amtrak Prototype and Model

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Dan, I browsed all sixty something files in the sound area and I couldn't find an obvious match to the reference in message #8. Could you clue us in to what the file name is? Kyle

Kyle H

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Kyle-
In the SCL folder(complete path on default installation is: c:\Program Files\Microsoft Games\Train Simulator\Routes\SCL), in your routes folder, you will find 2 files among the many there. The ones you are looking for are named ttype.dat and ttype.old. Delete the file ttype.dat and then rename ttype.old to ttype.dat. After doing this you shouldn't get your error messages anymore.Regards,
Dan Zollner

Courtesy of Amtrak Prototype and Model

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Thanks Dan,for the tip. Kyle

Kyle H

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>Go up and read post #8. Your solution is there. Sure enough...that fixed it! Thanks for the help! No more missing .sms file message. Okay, here's my initial, very preliminary, opinion of the route. I have NOT run the entire route end to end so bear that in mind. I have run a portion starting from an area that I am very well familiar with...the TAMPA area and heading east to Orlando and Sanford. The proof of a good rendition of a route or scenery (since I used to do FlightSim scenery) is having your scenery or route be 'recognized' by others --- that is, landmarks, resemblance to real features. From what I've seen of the route so far, I'd rate it very highly. Downtown Tampa is a very good representation. The train does go directly into the heart of the downtown area and this route shows that. The port area is there with the tracks in the right spots, although not yet scenic'd. Ybor City to the east of downtown Tampa is minimally depicted, but done correctly with the proper 'period' style of architecture...more buildings of a similar style will probably be added. East of Tampa going near Brandon and Valrico there are yards and huge automobile auction and light industry sites could be added here. Again, the trackage is in the right spots. Further east going toward Plant City we get into a lot of orange grove areas and very large orange juice production facilties. Interstate highways and local highways that run along the tracks from Tampa east to these areas are nicely shown. I'll need to get along further in the route for more commentary but the area in Orlando and going to Sanford was a realistic depiction too. What's to be done? More scenery -- a lot more. But the major track work is in and over such a large area the task of adding the scenery items will be extensive. Thankfully, a lot of the area covered will be large expanses of open savannah typical of Florida, with hammocks of cypress and southern pine trees spattered across the flat green wide open areas. Take those and sprinkle in plenty of palm trees and palmetto and you'll have it. Personally, I'm excited about this scenery with my first impressions of it. There's a lot to do, see, and travel. I look forward to running some Amtrak trains from Sanford north...anyone got a Trailer Train? Orange juice trains will be a common site too, along with produce and lumber. This scenery shows a lot of promise. It should be fun to see it develop and grow.bill

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Thanks for the Kind Comments, I am glad we have accomplished so much so far, but we have a long way to go - Bill if you want to join the group and help out let me know - we could use the expertiseJason

Jason Webb
Http://www.scl-aline.com

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>>Go up and read post #8. Your solution is there.
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>Sure enough...that fixed it! Thanks for
>the help! No more missing .sms file message.
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I did that trick too and I'm also happy with the results. No more missing .sms messages. Furthermore, I am impressed with the route. The switching possibilities seem endless. I can't wait to operate a local. Yes, the scenery does need alot of work. I thought I was seeing things when I saw the floating road crossing signals around downtown Orlando. However, I can live with it. Besides, now I have something to look forward to.Joe

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>Take a look in the downloads section of the a line site
>http://www.calmstorm.com/scl-csx
HTTP 404 - File not found
Internet Explorer The page cannot be found
The page you are looking for might have been removed, had its name changed, or is temporarily unavailable. Sigh. RegardsYuri.
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I think we killed the server:O(

Jason Webb
Http://www.scl-aline.com

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>Finally after a year here is your opportunity to Evaluate
>the SCL/CSX A line in Florida for yourself. >http://www.calmstorm.com/scl-csx
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>
>and Thanks Again
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>Jason Is it possible this route could be uploaded somewhere else ???
Ive never been able to get into the site using Netscape, and only
once using MSIE (I very stupidly didnt download at that time )Now I cant get in at all using either browser

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On the second activity, the distance to the next signal shows in kilometers instead of miles. Anybody got a clue as to what I need to change?

Kyle H

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In regards to the site and the inability of folks to d/l the route.."It's dead Jim" As soon as you you it back up I look forward to seeing the route.
-- John Tackett --

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Kyle open the route editor,bring up the SCL/CSX route,click on the properties within the route and change the box from kilometers to imperial.You'll have mileage from then on.

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Thanks Claude, I also changed the default and restricted speed limit to 60 / 40 to match up w/ mph. Worked like a charm...

Kyle H

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Downloaded your route and was suprised to see blurred tracks and grainy textures. I saw your screen shot so I know it's not the way everybody else sees it. Could it be the 1600 x 1200 resoultion I'm using or missing some files?

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Ditto on the blurred tracks and grainy textures. I'm using 1024 x 768 video with a 128 MB video card. However, I also get that on the Ohio Rail Route. Could it be a RAM memory problem?

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Hmmmmmm can you post screenshots?I have a GeForce 4 MX Card and took the screenshots with AA and Anistrophic on so that may be itThe track texture i use is one downloaded off train-simalso some textures were messed up by route riter so that may be an issueAgain if i didnt point it out before, This route is a preview of what i am working on, so there are some issues, but this i why i did a trial run - to see what everyone thought so far.I am thinking of making a message board for the specific purpose of discussing issues with the route - what does everyone think?

Jason Webb
Http://www.scl-aline.com

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I'm getting the blurred track textures, too. I'm using a Radeon 7500 card with AA and Anistorphic on. I can't post a screenshot because I'm at the office. Which track textured did you use? Maybe I can try to swap 'em out when I get home.Henry

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I have also created a message board for the discussion of the route
this is where you can post questions, comments etc.The topic is for the route and our downloads only please.http://www.b2g2.com/boards/board.cgi?&user=SCL518Jason

Jason Webb
Http://www.scl-aline.com

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